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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Not one thing in that quote dump negates the reality that a belief in natural rights is just that - an unprovable belief held by a believer because they want to believe it.
    well since natural rights are part of the constitution.......you lose

    Amendment V

    December 1791

    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.


    AMENDMENT XIV
    Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.

    Note: Article I, section 2, of the Constitution was modified by section 2 of the 14th amendment.

    Section 1.
    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you see it too in his reasoning don't you...
    nah - just one of your fellow true believers striking out at inconvenient truth that is hard for them to swallow. And if you go back you will see their quip was shown to be a weak straw man of their own invention.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well since natural rights are part of the constitution.......you lose

    Amendment V

    December 1791

    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.


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    Note: Article I, section 2, of the Constitution was modified by section 2 of the 14th amendment.

    Section 1.
    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
    Natural rights do not exist so they cannot be part of the Constitution in the same way that mentioning God or a Creator in any document or law suddenly makes those beings real.

    You can spend a billion dollars building a Faerie Kingdom Castle in Florida but that does NOT make the Faerie Kingdom any more real that it was without it.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Natural rights do not exist so they cannot be part of the Constitution in the same way that mentioning God or a Creator in any document or law suddenly makes those beings real.

    You can spend a billion dollars building a Faerie Kingdom Castle in Florida but that does NOT make the Faerie Kingdom any more real that it was without it.


    well since natural rights are part of the constitution.......you lose

    Amendment V

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    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.


    AMENDMENT XIV
    Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.

    Note: Article I, section 2, of the Constitution was modified by section 2 of the 14th amendment.

    Section 1.
    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post

    You can spend a billion dollars building a Faerie Kingdom Castle in Florida but that does NOT make the Faerie Kingdom any more real that it was without it.
    monumental in desperation!

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    monumental in desperation!
    Truth is never desperation. It is always the trump card that deals your wishful belief system to the trash heap.

    But since you are obsessed with staying on topic - at least when you get your tail caught in the wringer and are trying hard to get it out - lets see you disprove my observation about natural rights and Gods and the Faerie Kingdom being made "real" simply by inclusion in a document or a law.

    here it is again for you in case you are unable to find the comment from me

    Natural rights do not exist so they cannot be part of the Constitution in the same way that mentioning God or a Creator in any document or law suddenly makes those beings real.

    You can spend a billion dollars building a Faerie Kingdom Castle in Florida but that does NOT make the Faerie Kingdom any more real that it was without it.
    Deal with that for a change.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Truth is never desperation. It is always the trump card that deals your wishful belief system to the trash heap.

    But since you are obsessed with staying on topic - at least when you get your tail caught in the wringer and are trying hard to get it out - lets see you disprove my observation about natural rights and Gods and the Faerie Kingdom being made "real" simply by inclusion in a document or a law.

    here it is again for you in case you are unable to find the comment from me



    Deal with that for a change.
    sorry but i have the constitution on my side, and you have nothing which can top that.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sorry but i have the constitution on my side, and you have nothing which can top that.
    I knew you could not deal with my statement and you failed to do so.

    So the Constitution created GOD or recognizes the acts of God and that validates the previous acts which are claimed to be attributed to God?!?!?!?!?

    That is the worst sort of circular reasoning I have ever heard in my entire life. Its the ramblings of the delusional.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I knew you could not deal with my statement and you failed to do so.

    So the Constitution created GOD or recognizes the acts of God and that validates the previous acts which are claimed to be attributed to God?!?!?!?!?

    That is the worst sort of circular reasoning I have ever heard in my entire life. Its the ramblings of the delusional.
    .....weird statment

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    .....weird statment
    I guess to a true believer who accepts that hard won rights are handed out from gods in the sky like Halloween treats to costumed toddlers in October - yeah - I guess they would look at such reality as weird.
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