View Poll Results: Civilized war or WAR!?

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    Re: Civilized war or WAR?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Lets go to a galaxy far far away....Yeah, geeky and cheesy I know but hey, its going to get cheesier.

    In this galaxy you have two factions that are warring against each other. The Light side and the Dark side. But don't let the names fool you. On both sides there are normal, every day people that essentially believe the exact same things and believe in doing what is Right and True. Neither side is religious. Both sides have equal rights for everyone. There is no racial discrimination. The only reason for the war is resources. Lets say....water. That particular galaxy is low on water. Which they of course need to survive. In between these two factions territories is a band of worlds that is chalk full of fresh water. Both sides have mutually agreed, before the war started, to not even come with in 50 light years of those planets until there is a victor in their war to see who gets the water. (for those that love semantics, they travel to different planets via directed wormhole technology which gets them from point A to point B of their choosing in a matter of seconds..but it only works inside their galaxy due to a highly radiation and magnetic bubble that wraps their entire galaxy and collapses worm holes that attempt to go beyond it)

    If you were in charge of one of these factions how would you conduct your war?

    Civilized war in which you spare innocent civilians as much as possible?

    or

    WAR! in which you exterminate anything that gets in your way?

    Remember, the survival of your faction means winning the war in order to get that precious water. If you lose, your faction gets none of that water. The poll choices are your only options. There is no middle ground. No haggling. No diplomacy available as both factions refuse to come to the negotiation table, or even talk to each other for that matter as the war has started. In fact any attempt to contact or talk to the other side will get you summarily executed right on the spot. Cameras which you have no control over and cannot destroy as it would mean instant death for you are always on you...even in the bathroom, no privacy what so ever. You agreed to it when you became the leader as you want your people to trust you. Only a select group of people are able to watch and see what is going on via those cameras. People you will never have contact with as you know not who they are or how to get ahold of them. This is of course to preserve military tactics. IE: cameras are not broadcast to the public, only those select people. You also have no idea where the leader of the other faction is, just like they have no idea where you are at. You are both as secure as secure can be from any type of spying.

    Hopefully I've covered all the bases here. What is your choice?
    Greetings, Kal'Stang.

    In your example, I would have to say you must go to win, since you need the water to survive, which implies that there would be resistance from the beings currently living there. It appears that you would either have to exterminate or enslave those who would resist, or make some kind of agreement with them that you would not take every drop of their water all at one time, which would doom their planet.

    However, using earth as an example, our planet is 70% covered by water, but only one percent is drinkable. You used the term "fresh water" in your post, but would the leaders viewing the cameras know if the water on another planet might be poisonous, or otherwise unfit to drink before the war started to get that water? It would be poor planning to go to war over a resource that proved worthless to the invaders.

    Off topic, but how is Ce'Nedra faring these days?

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    Re: Civilized war or WAR?

    Total, all out war. Survival of the strongest and fittest.
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    Re: Civilized war or WAR?

    A lot of times war can be averted through diplomacy and compromise.



    However when you have two or more factions who have each determined they MUST have X, and X being mutually exclusive, then war becomes inevitable.

    A legitimate conflict of interests, that cannot be resolved peaceably, can occur between even the most civilized and peace-loving societies, if they both lack something they consider essential for survival and there isn't enough to go around. In such case diplomacy is merely a delaying tactic.

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    Re: Civilized war or WAR?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Lets go to a galaxy far far away....Yeah, geeky and cheesy I know but hey, its going to get cheesier.

    In this galaxy you have two factions that are warring against each other. The Light side and the Dark side. But don't let the names fool you. On both sides there are normal, every day people that essentially believe the exact same things and believe in doing what is Right and True. Neither side is religious. Both sides have equal rights for everyone. There is no racial discrimination. The only reason for the war is resources. Lets say....water. That particular galaxy is low on water. Which they of course need to survive. In between these two factions territories is a band of worlds that is chalk full of fresh water. Both sides have mutually agreed, before the war started, to not even come with in 50 light years of those planets until there is a victor in their war to see who gets the water. (for those that love semantics, they travel to different planets via directed wormhole technology which gets them from point A to point B of their choosing in a matter of seconds..but it only works inside their galaxy due to a highly radiation and magnetic bubble that wraps their entire galaxy and collapses worm holes that attempt to go beyond it)

    If you were in charge of one of these factions how would you conduct your war?

    Civilized war in which you spare innocent civilians as much as possible?

    or

    WAR! in which you exterminate anything that gets in your way?

    Remember, the survival of your faction means winning the war in order to get that precious water. If you lose, your faction gets none of that water. The poll choices are your only options. There is no middle ground. No haggling. No diplomacy available as both factions refuse to come to the negotiation table, or even talk to each other for that matter as the war has started. In fact any attempt to contact or talk to the other side will get you summarily executed right on the spot. Cameras which you have no control over and cannot destroy as it would mean instant death for you are always on you...even in the bathroom, no privacy what so ever. You agreed to it when you became the leader as you want your people to trust you. Only a select group of people are able to watch and see what is going on via those cameras. People you will never have contact with as you know not who they are or how to get ahold of them. This is of course to preserve military tactics. IE: cameras are not broadcast to the public, only those select people. You also have no idea where the leader of the other faction is, just like they have no idea where you are at. You are both as secure as secure can be from any type of spying.

    Hopefully I've covered all the bases here. What is your choice?
    The term you are looking for is total war. Total war is not a good idea. There is no such thing as civilized war. But Objective based warfare is. The opposite. That is one of the worst faults of the First World War. The leaders of the allies didn't really understand their objective. Even in the second when we did...We didn't have the technology to do so.

    If you eliminate the ability to fight you win. That means production, transportation, leadership, and intelligence. All that needs to be killed or destroyed. Some of that can be defeated within too. Vietnam is an example. Or our modern 2nd gulf war. Defeat the public and you win. You beat them by defeating the nation on the battlefield and sapping their morale. But you will only cause resolve by killing them at home.
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    Re: Civilized war or WAR?

    Civilized war is a moronic term. Oxy-moronic actually.

    I'll wait for a poll that gives the third option of "civil" war. That's always fun.

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    Re: Civilized war or WAR?

    I voted "war" in which you "exterminate anything that gets in your way." That doesn't mean you target civilians unnecessarily, but if your enemy doesn't give a damn about conducting operations among civilians or uses them in their war-making efforts then they become a target. You should never tie one hand behind your back unless you're willing to lose.
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    Re: Civilized war or WAR?

    Just to clarify we're talking about deliberately targeting civilians here as one of the options right?

    It's not ok when IS deliberately target civilians. It's not ok when the Palestinian factions deliberately target civilians. It's not ok when Boko Haram and Al-Qaeda deliberately target civilians.

    I'm not a savage and my views are consistent. Deliberately targeting civilians is never ok so it should come as no surprise that my thoughts are a Civilized war in which you spare innocent civilians as much as possible.
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    Re: Civilized war or WAR?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Lets go to a galaxy far far away....Yeah, geeky and cheesy I know but hey, its going to get cheesier.

    In this galaxy you have two factions that are warring against each other. The Light side and the Dark side. But don't let the names fool you. On both sides there are normal, every day people that essentially believe the exact same things and believe in doing what is Right and True. Neither side is religious. Both sides have equal rights for everyone. There is no racial discrimination. The only reason for the war is resources. Lets say....water. That particular galaxy is low on water. Which they of course need to survive. In between these two factions territories is a band of worlds that is chalk full of fresh water. Both sides have mutually agreed, before the war started, to not even come with in 50 light years of those planets until there is a victor in their war to see who gets the water. (for those that love semantics, they travel to different planets via directed wormhole technology which gets them from point A to point B of their choosing in a matter of seconds..but it only works inside their galaxy due to a highly radiation and magnetic bubble that wraps their entire galaxy and collapses worm holes that attempt to go beyond it)

    If you were in charge of one of these factions how would you conduct your war?

    Civilized war in which you spare innocent civilians as much as possible?

    or

    WAR! in which you exterminate anything that gets in your way?

    Remember, the survival of your faction means winning the war in order to get that precious water. If you lose, your faction gets none of that water. The poll choices are your only options. There is no middle ground. No haggling. No diplomacy available as both factions refuse to come to the negotiation table, or even talk to each other for that matter as the war has started. In fact any attempt to contact or talk to the other side will get you summarily executed right on the spot. Cameras which you have no control over and cannot destroy as it would mean instant death for you are always on you...even in the bathroom, no privacy what so ever. You agreed to it when you became the leader as you want your people to trust you. Only a select group of people are able to watch and see what is going on via those cameras. People you will never have contact with as you know not who they are or how to get ahold of them. This is of course to preserve military tactics. IE: cameras are not broadcast to the public, only those select people. You also have no idea where the leader of the other faction is, just like they have no idea where you are at. You are both as secure as secure can be from any type of spying.

    Hopefully I've covered all the bases here. What is your choice?
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    Re: Civilized war or WAR?

    I would spare the civilians and if that means my 'side' loses - so be it.

    'It's better to be dead and cool, then alive and uncool'.

    Only cowards and/or idiots believe the ends justify the means.

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    Re: Civilized war or WAR?

    War is NOT a "sport", its cruel, vicious , if one wishes to win .. anything goes .. including what the Japanese, the Germans, ISIS , the English, and we have done .. horrible ? true .. civilized war .. an oxymoron if ever there was one . . So many reasons to respect and tolerate , talk and negotiate, rather than fight .

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