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    Re: Civilized war or WAR?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Diplomacy is to always an option, but sometimes when you want your gawd damn war bad enough (Iraq) diplomacy is dismissed. Funny that you might think that all wars happen because there was no political/diplomatic solution.
    War is always an option for the antagonist (see: Iraq, Vietnam, etc.), but not always for the one being attacked.
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    Re: Civilized war or WAR?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post


    ^-------- I take my war lessons from this guy

    But in all seriousness....

    My general thought in combat, regardless of whether it's someone mugging me or a war, is you do whatever is necessary to win. Period.

    That doesn't necessarily mean going all out without any regard for civilians; but it MIGHT.

    If I believe conducting a more "civilized" War will work to my advantage because I have a significant belief that my opponent will "fight clean" as well, and that the potential pit falls of "fighting dirty" (loss of support at home, my own civilians being targetted, etc) outweigh the benefits, then I'll "fight clean".

    On the flip side....

    If I'm confident of my citizens resolve and believe I can end the conflict quickly which would minimize causalities on my end, OR I'm confident that the other guy won't fight dirty even if I do, OR I'm confident that they will fight dirty regardless of what I do, then by all means Sherman it up and burn that mother****er to the ground.


    That, pretty much. :


    If we're postulating that there isn't enough water for both sides, and that only one side can win and control the water and survive, and the losing side is going to die of thirst anyway, then there seems little motivation not to go all out full destruction. If you win they all die anyway so what does it matter if you kill them now with bombs or later with thirst.

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    Re: Civilized war or WAR?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Diplomacy is to always an option, but sometimes when you want your gawd damn war bad enough (Iraq) diplomacy is dismissed. Funny that you might think that all wars happen because there was no political/diplomatic solution.
    So if someone invades the US do you think that diplomacy will get all the bad guys out? Sometimes you just have to fight. Whether you like it or not.
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    Re: Civilized war or WAR?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Lets go to a galaxy far far away....Yeah, geeky and cheesy I know but hey, its going to get cheesier.

    In this galaxy you have two factions that are warring against each other. The Light side and the Dark side. But don't let the names fool you. On both sides there are normal, every day people that essentially believe the exact same things and believe in doing what is Right and True. Neither side is religious. Both sides have equal rights for everyone. There is no racial discrimination. The only reason for the war is resources. Lets say....water. That particular galaxy is low on water. Which they of course need to survive. In between these two factions territories is a band of worlds that is chalk full of fresh water. Both sides have mutually agreed, before the war started, to not even come with in 50 light years of those planets until there is a victor in their war to see who gets the water. (for those that love semantics, they travel to different planets via directed wormhole technology which gets them from point A to point B of their choosing in a matter of seconds..but it only works inside their galaxy due to a highly radiation and magnetic bubble that wraps their entire galaxy and collapses worm holes that attempt to go beyond it)

    If you were in charge of one of these factions how would you conduct your war?

    Civilized war in which you spare innocent civilians as much as possible?

    or

    WAR! in which you exterminate anything that gets in your way?

    Remember, the survival of your faction means winning the war in order to get that precious water. If you lose, your faction gets none of that water. The poll choices are your only options. There is no middle ground. No haggling. No diplomacy available as both factions refuse to come to the negotiation table, or even talk to each other for that matter as the war has started. In fact any attempt to contact or talk to the other side will get you summarily executed right on the spot. Cameras which you have no control over and cannot destroy as it would mean instant death for you are always on you...even in the bathroom, no privacy what so ever. You agreed to it when you became the leader as you want your people to trust you. Only a select group of people are able to watch and see what is going on via those cameras. People you will never have contact with as you know not who they are or how to get ahold of them. This is of course to preserve military tactics. IE: cameras are not broadcast to the public, only those select people. You also have no idea where the leader of the other faction is, just like they have no idea where you are at. You are both as secure as secure can be from any type of spying.

    Hopefully I've covered all the bases here. What is your choice?
    Why is war the only option here? What about diplomacy? Even your OP suggests that antebellum diplomacy has occurred, so why not extend it to the next logical step and avoid mass killings?

    Also, you said there are multiple planets with water. Would the war occur between the two water-poor factions, or the water-poor factions vs. the civilizations with water?
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    Re: Civilized war or WAR?

    "civilized war" is an oxymoron.

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    Re: Civilized war or WAR?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Lets go to a galaxy far far away....Yeah, geeky and cheesy I know but hey, its going to get cheesier.

    In this galaxy you have two factions that are warring against each other. The Light side and the Dark side. But don't let the names fool you. On both sides there are normal, every day people that essentially believe the exact same things and believe in doing what is Right and True. Neither side is religious. Both sides have equal rights for everyone. There is no racial discrimination. The only reason for the war is resources. Lets say....water. That particular galaxy is low on water. Which they of course need to survive. In between these two factions territories is a band of worlds that is chalk full of fresh water. Both sides have mutually agreed, before the war started, to not even come with in 50 light years of those planets until there is a victor in their war to see who gets the water. (for those that love semantics, they travel to different planets via directed wormhole technology which gets them from point A to point B of their choosing in a matter of seconds..but it only works inside their galaxy due to a highly radiation and magnetic bubble that wraps their entire galaxy and collapses worm holes that attempt to go beyond it)

    If you were in charge of one of these factions how would you conduct your war?

    Civilized war in which you spare innocent civilians as much as possible?

    or

    WAR! in which you exterminate anything that gets in your way?

    Remember, the survival of your faction means winning the war in order to get that precious water. If you lose, your faction gets none of that water. The poll choices are your only options. There is no middle ground. No haggling. No diplomacy available as both factions refuse to come to the negotiation table, or even talk to each other for that matter as the war has started. In fact any attempt to contact or talk to the other side will get you summarily executed right on the spot. Cameras which you have no control over and cannot destroy as it would mean instant death for you are always on you...even in the bathroom, no privacy what so ever. You agreed to it when you became the leader as you want your people to trust you. Only a select group of people are able to watch and see what is going on via those cameras. People you will never have contact with as you know not who they are or how to get ahold of them. This is of course to preserve military tactics. IE: cameras are not broadcast to the public, only those select people. You also have no idea where the leader of the other faction is, just like they have no idea where you are at. You are both as secure as secure can be from any type of spying.

    Hopefully I've covered all the bases here. What is your choice?
    You do whatever is necessary to win. This might include sparing innocent civilians. Or it might not.
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    Re: Civilized war or WAR?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Lets go to a galaxy far far away....Yeah, geeky and cheesy I know but hey, its going to get cheesier.

    In this galaxy you have two factions that are warring against each other. The Light side and the Dark side. But don't let the names fool you. On both sides there are normal, every day people that essentially believe the exact same things and believe in doing what is Right and True. Neither side is religious. Both sides have equal rights for everyone. There is no racial discrimination. The only reason for the war is resources. Lets say....water. That particular galaxy is low on water. Which they of course need to survive. In between these two factions territories is a band of worlds that is chalk full of fresh water. Both sides have mutually agreed, before the war started, to not even come with in 50 light years of those planets until there is a victor in their war to see who gets the water. (for those that love semantics, they travel to different planets via directed wormhole technology which gets them from point A to point B of their choosing in a matter of seconds..but it only works inside their galaxy due to a highly radiation and magnetic bubble that wraps their entire galaxy and collapses worm holes that attempt to go beyond it)

    If you were in charge of one of these factions how would you conduct your war?

    Civilized war in which you spare innocent civilians as much as possible?

    or

    WAR! in which you exterminate anything that gets in your way?

    Remember, the survival of your faction means winning the war in order to get that precious water. If you lose, your faction gets none of that water. The poll choices are your only options. There is no middle ground. No haggling. No diplomacy available as both factions refuse to come to the negotiation table, or even talk to each other for that matter as the war has started. In fact any attempt to contact or talk to the other side will get you summarily executed right on the spot. Cameras which you have no control over and cannot destroy as it would mean instant death for you are always on you...even in the bathroom, no privacy what so ever. You agreed to it when you became the leader as you want your people to trust you. Only a select group of people are able to watch and see what is going on via those cameras. People you will never have contact with as you know not who they are or how to get ahold of them. This is of course to preserve military tactics. IE: cameras are not broadcast to the public, only those select people. You also have no idea where the leader of the other faction is, just like they have no idea where you are at. You are both as secure as secure can be from any type of spying.

    Hopefully I've covered all the bases here. What is your choice?
    IMO there is no such thing as civilized war.
    You go to war or you don't.

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    War is like that and like karate

    "Either you karate do "yes" or karate do "no." You karate do "guess so," (squish) just like grape


    fight or no fight, fight a little bit and SQUISH IMO
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    Re: Civilized war or WAR?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Why is war the only option here? What about diplomacy? Even your OP suggests that antebellum diplomacy has occurred, so why not extend it to the next logical step and avoid mass killings?
    The diplomacy that happened was just enough to make sure that what they were fighting over didn't get ruined. Beyond that its simply about survival. There simply isn't enough water for both sides to survive. Neither side was willing to do it any other way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Also, you said there are multiple planets with water. Would the war occur between the two water-poor factions, or the water-poor factions vs. the civilizations with water?
    Between the two water poor factions. There is no civilization (or any other civilization/faction in the entire galaxy for that matter) on the water planets.

    Not directed at you Phys251: You know, just once I'd like to have a conversation or see a conversation where someone puts up a scenario and people actually stick to that scenario instead of arguing and saying "But but but!" and ignoring the restrictions put with in that scenario.
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    Re: Civilized war or WAR?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaylaWindu View Post
    IMO there is no such thing as civilized war.
    You go to war or you don't.

    If you want cheese lets go with Mr Miyagi!

    "Walk on road, Walk left side, safe. Walk right side, safe. Walk middle, sooner or later (squish) like grape "

    War is like that and like karate

    "Either you karate do "yes" or karate do "no." You karate do "guess so," (squish) just like grape


    fight or no fight, fight a little bit and SQUISH IMO
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    Re: Civilized war or WAR?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The diplomacy that happened was just enough to make sure that what they were fighting over didn't get ruined. Beyond that its simply about survival. There simply isn't enough water for both sides to survive. Neither side was willing to do it any other way.
    Then, to paraphrase old westerns, that galaxy ain't big enough for the two of them.

    Look, they are struggling together, so they should solve the problem together. Fighting is not going to get the job done. Period. War always leaves behind a trail of blood and tears. One side is going to be subjugated to a living hell for a long time to come or exterminated. The other side will have a huge mess to clean up.

    Between the two water poor factions. There is no civilization (or any other civilization/faction in the entire galaxy for that matter) on the water planets.

    Not directed at you Phys251: You know, just once I'd like to have a conversation or see a conversation where someone puts up a scenario and people actually stick to that scenario instead of arguing and saying "But but but!" and ignoring the restrictions put with in that scenario.
    The problem is, though, that the issues I raised are inevitably going to come up. If you and I hypothetically were to agree to have a fight to the death, then no matter how many rules and stipulations we were to make before hand, we'd be reduced to barbarism very, very quickly. War always brings out the worst in humans.
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