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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    From the parts of the agreement we know; I am 100% against it. We know what NAFTA caused, and I honestly have no idea why any working or middle class American would be for this agreement, this agreement is essentially NAFTA on steroids.
    Hear hear. If it turns out to be as profitable as NAFTA for the middle class, and trickled down for the rest of the people not in the 1%, I'd say no.
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    And again. No.
    Your interpretation skills are currently way off.
    Hey, how would you interpret paving the way for a one-world government?


    Apparently that mega-big-government totally-not-ever-a-little-loony Rand Paul is behind it all. Who knew? I'll admit, I was surprised.


    That's why I'm glad they have a New World Order for Dummies section.


    ....At the very low level of political awareness the first thing you would think of is a conspiracy theory. But having researched and understood it in depth, you would be speaking against it fearlessly, understanding that nothing can be scarier than living under a fascist global regime, which this time around will be on steroids.

    You would see dark gathering clouds naturally predicting the coming political storm. You would see the societal move towards global poverty, oppression and totalitarianism in which there is no place for personal freedom. You would recognize the arms of the evil octopus wearing the masks of Agenda 21, Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP), Eugenics, Transhumanism, and Codex Alimentarius, to name just a few.

    These are the code names and different faces of the same agenda to harness humanity. These names might appear disconnected and even abstract, but only to those who aren’t aware and informed. I would encourage you to do your own research into this subject but in the meantime I would like to offer you a synopsis made of a simple words which will help you to understand what the New World Order means to you.

    In any totalitarian system of control, there is zero tolerance for individuality, self-expression, creativity and other forms of self-empowerment. Realizing one’s self as a cosmic consciousness which was fortunate enough to receive a human body to experience life, would naturally resist any form of tyranny and enslavement....
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    I'm not an American but maybee it can be a bipartisan issue to be against both TTP and TTIP (a similar trade deal between USA and EU) in USA. For example the left can be against it because it will give increase influence to big business and the right against the negative effect on national sovereignty and state rights. Because it is a risk both agreements will include ISDS. ISDS allow foreign companies to sue national goverments and states in international tribunals if the companies believe their profits from investment is threathen by new laws.

    The Trans-Pacific Partnership clause everyone should oppose - The Washington Post

    Britain isn

    https://www.foeeurope.org/how-taxpay...e-deals-041214

    It is atleast a change that TTIP will fail because of not only greater opposition from civil society but also from national goverments in EU and parties and members of the European Parliament.
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    It's for working class and middle class Americans that know what they are doing, and for processes that patents can protect to keep them in America. It also wouldn't make logistical sense to ship out a lot of the jobs that this supposedly would ship out because of cost of freight. It could for example, bring more regional factories for certain devices (electronics) and encourage the production of hybrid cars within America rather than China because prohibitive cost are taken out.
    Yes, because corporate executives and industry lobbyists are rolling up their sleeves and making this happen for the American worker.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    All you have presented to me is a partisan think-tank...I'm all for research but even though I'm democrat I don't believe their own BS unless it's backed up from something unbiased or has a good counter point.
    Does it bother you at all that the party of no, suddenly trusts Obama with "decider" authority on this and his own party is against it? No cause for pause at all huh?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    [QUOTE=cpwill;1064614885]David Ricardo demonstrated how free trade benefited both partners centuries ago. For it.


    For the claim that it was made in China by China: [/QUOTE]

    To the bolded, agreed.
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Oh G_d, no.
    You are to far gone.
    There is no conspiracy.
    The arguments are relevant.
    And clearly you have bought into it being a great idea when it isn't.
    The two biggest proponents of TPP here were for TPP back when it was first mentioned, when scant little was even known about it.
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Nope. I asked what your preferred immigration policy was. Are you in favor of the DREAMers? Amnesty? Where do you stand on actually securing our border? Because large scale immigration of low-skill workers has the exact same effect you are decrying from the TPP.


    Which you probably didn't stop to think about until now. Which is probably why you are trying to dodge the question.
    My prefered immigration policy is to simplify our immigration system, and implement a policy where its easier to become legal citizens, allowing them to become legal taxpayers and also ensuring that they are not being exploited for illegal wages. But again, I dont think thats the root of the problem, I think its clear that the root of the problem is our trade policies especially when it comes to immigration. Its also to point out the part your quoted isnt even about immigration in the first place.
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    My prefered immigration policy is to simplify our immigration system, and implement a policy where its easier to become legal citizens, allowing them to become legal taxpayers and also ensuring that they are not being exploited for illegal wages. But again, I dont think thats the root of the problem, I think its clear that the root of the problem is our trade policies especially when it comes to immigration. Its also to point out the part your quoted isnt even about immigration in the first place.
    So yes, in fact, you support immigration policies that have the exact same result as that which you decry in the TPP. What is the difference, for you?
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    So yes, in fact, you support immigration policies that have the exact same result as that which you decry in the TPP. What is the difference, for you?

    "I dont think thats the root of the problem, I think its clear that the root of the problem is our trade policies especially when it comes to immigration. Its also to point out the part your quoted isnt even about immigration in the first place."

    Its not the root cause of the problem. The root cause of the problem is the trade policies themselves. Example: NAFTA and Mexico. NAFTA essentially allowed for the flooding of US subsidized crops (especially corn) and other goods into their markets in which return Mexican producer prices dropped hurting small farmers and other producers. NAFTA also called for the essential removal of the ejido farm process which the vast majority of Mexican farmers operated under. Millions of Mexican workers were forced to leave their land and jobs. Many in Mexico had no where to look. Its foolish to say that somehow me being in favor of an immigration policy that isnt as strict as your or militarized or whatever it may be, means that the "real problem is the immigration policy". I would say no, the real problem is the trade policy. That is the root cause of the problem. You cannot implement a policy that destroys millions of jobs, keeps people in direct poverty, and stifles wages, and allows little to no opportunities to the millions of impoverished in a country and not expect this. Its not that we are "not tough enough on immigration", its that we literally destroyed millions of people livelyhoods and they have no where else to look. Lets stop shooting ourselves in the foot by passing such trade policies that allow actions like this to happen. You think its a coincidence that immigration from Mexico to the US doubled from 1993-2000 during the years NAFTA was implemented? You think its a coincidence that since 1993-2011 it increased 185%?
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