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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Way to misstate what was said.
    I said you bought into it.

    But way not to accurately interpret what another has said.

    That doesn't speak well to your interpretation of the topic.
    accusing someone of holding their position only because they have "bought into it" pretty implicitly argues that they have been suckered.

    But let me know when you have something other than a Just So argument. I find it interesting that you would accuse others of having been "bought in" to their position, yet seem unable to defend yours with any data capable of withstanding scrutiny.
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Today they last 20 years, which seems fine.

    ...For applications filed on or after June 8, 1995, utility and plant patents are granted for a term which begins with the date of the grant and usually ends 20 years from the date you first applied for the patent subject to the payment of appropriate maintenance fees for a utility patent. There are no maintenance fees for plant patents . Design patents last 14 years from the date you are granted the patent. No maintenance fees are required for design patents.

    Note: Patents in force on June 8, 1995 and patents issued thereafter on applications filed prior to June 8, 1995 automatically have a term that is the greater of the twenty year term discussed above or seventeen years from the patent grant....

    So... not forever.

    And, again, patent protection is good for the US because we are the ones with the patents who are being violated.
    I was talking about copyright lasting too long which is the life of the author plus 70 years, it should be 30 years or death of the creator, whichever comes first. Patents have other issues.

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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Currenlty copyrgiht last way too long for that to happen and patents have issues with them being issued for things that are too vague and the further issue of patent trolls which both stifle innovation and only lead to frivolous lawsuits.
    no system is perfect. when I was a young attorney at a big firm, we represented a pharmaceutical concern that was a producer of generics. They would have the line up and running before the expiration so they could jump into the market ASAP. advantages to the consumer-lower cost

    disadvantages if there is no protection, companies like that didn't have the resources or the wherewithal to bring a new drug to market and meet all the strict governmental testing requirements
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    I was talking about copyright lasting too long which is the life of the author plus 70 years, it should be 30 years or death of the creator, whichever comes first. Patents have other issues.
    Oh. Well then I don't give a crap. Pay for your music.
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    accusing someone of holding their position only because they have "bought into it" pretty implicitly argues that they have been suckered.

    But let me know when you have something other than a Just So argument. I find it interesting that you would accuse others of having been "bought in" to their position, yet seem unable to defend yours with any data capable of withstanding scrutiny.

    And again. No.
    Your interpretation skills are currently way off.
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    no system is perfect. when I was a young attorney at a big firm, we represented a pharmaceutical concern that was a producer of generics. They would have the line up and running before the expiration so they could jump into the market ASAP. advantages to the consumer-lower cost

    disadvantages if there is no protection, companies like that didn't have the resources or the wherewithal to bring a new drug to market and meet all the strict governmental testing requirements
    I see the Democratic position as one similar to what Cruz did with the House in the gov't shutdown.
    The Senate is more 'sensible' and 'conservative' in the case of the TPP, so it passes there.

    Sen. Warren will gin up the liberals in the House while the Black Congressional members don't appreciate Obama playing the 'CBC' card.
    The key on the left is whether Pelosi will whip votes FOR Obama--my guess is NO, as with allowing DEMs to vote YES on the Cromnibus.

    Then there's Boehner's problem with the Freedom Caucus led by Ohio GOP Rep. Jordan and his 60 or so members--they're against TPP.
    As I've said before, the TEA/LIB coalition is growing in numbers and in strength .
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I see the Democratic position as one similar to what Cruz did with the House in the gov't shutdown.
    The Senate is more 'sensible' and 'conservative' in the case of the TPP, so it passes there.

    Sen. Warren will gin up the liberals in the House while the Black Congressional members don't appreciate Obama playing the 'CBC' card.
    The key on the left is whether Pelosi will whip votes FOR Obama--my guess is NO, as with allowing DEMs to vote YES on the Cromnibus.

    Then there's Boehner's problem with the Freedom Caucus led by Ohio GOP Rep. Jordan and his 60 or so members--they're against TPP.
    As I've said before, the TEA/LIB coalition is growing in numbers and in strength .
    TPP will pass both houses and BHO will sign it into law.
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Obviously whether one approves of a trade treaty or not has to depend on the final content. But on the whole I favour the promotion of greater free trade.

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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    And again. No.
    Your interpretation skills are currently way off.
    let me know when you have something other than a Just So argument.
    Worth noting, Democrats: President Trump will have a Pen and a Phone. #Precedent.

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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    No it isn't.
    But you can't see that becasue you have already bought into it.
    Hook, line, and sinker.


    As opposed to buying into The Daily Sheeple. With a subtitle of "Wake The Flock Up!"

    Here is your totally non-conspiracist source:

    ...Abbott drew heavy fire (pun intended) when he initially called for the Texas National Guardsmen to monitor these drills and make sure none of the citizens of Texas had their rights trampled. Now, though, Newsmax reports that Abbott, “has talked to members of the military who assure him no such worries are justified.”

    You see? The governor talked to some members of the military and he has had assurances that the exercises are “going to work out just fine.” Gee, I know I feel better, don’t you?

    How is it normal and just accepted for our now standing army to infiltrate and try to blend in with domestic civilian populations? Because Main Street America just looks so much like the foreign battlefields in other countries across the world that these training drills are supposedly for in the first place, right?

    But, again, the governor talked to some unnamed members of the military at multiple levels and it’s all “going to work out just fine.”

    Whom it would work out “just fine” for, by the way, the governor did not specify....


    the comments' section is hilarious
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