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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That's an interesting claim. Who has restrictive copyrights that last forever?



    This, however, is particularly laughable. Without solid patent protection, the individual who innovates has no ability whatsoever to make money and is completely unprotected from a corporation taking his design and using their greater resources to more quickly and cheaply produce it.
    Copyrights last too long, when they were created they only lasted 28 years which is enough time for someone to make money from their creation but also open it up to innovation as soon as possible so people can take it and build upon on it. The concept of fair use also needs to be expanded and protected. We need solid patent protection but we should also reform the system and an end to patents like Apple has on a rectangle with rounded corners as well as patent trolls.


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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Improper and overly restrictive protection of intellectual property is bad for innovation.
    too little and too much are both equally debilitative of innovation
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Sure. No doubt all those businesses are staffed by robots, and the only inventors today are foreigners here on student visas

    Protection of intellectual property is excellent for innovation because it incentivizes it.
    true, why would a pharmaceutical enterprise spend millions developing a new drug for say cancer or ALS, spend even more on clinical tests to get FDA approval only to see some maker of generics immediately copy the drug once it was approved.
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post

    This agreement is good for us economically, it is good for us geopolitically, and it is a rare foreign policy initiative that this administration has managed not to completely **** up. I've been following the TPP for about 5 years now. But thanks for telling me all about it.
    Is this why Boehner still doesn't have his 'Freedom Caucus" on board--just as with the Cromnibus and DHS bill.
    Both of which Obama supported.
    So Boehner tries to divide DEMs instead.

    Yes the liberals are tired of being taken for granted.
    You're missing the further coalescing of the TEAs/LIBs, first begun with the Amash/Paul coalition against NSA .
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    No it isn't.
    But you can't see that becasue you have already bought into it.
    Hook, line, and sinker.
    Accusations that anyone who disagrees with you has been suckered. Indication of a conspiracy theory at work #937.
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Accusations that anyone who disagrees with you has been suckered. Indication of a conspiracy theory at work #937.
    Way to misstate what was said.
    I said you bought into it.

    But way not to accurately interpret what another has said.

    That doesn't speak well to your interpretation of the topic.
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    true, why would a pharmaceutical enterprise spend millions developing a new drug for say cancer or ALS, spend even more on clinical tests to get FDA approval only to see some maker of generics immediately copy the drug once it was approved.
    Well they should have that exclusivity for a while but at some point that drug needs to be made available to other companies to allow them to innovate and make other advances.

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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Well they should have that exclusivity for a while but at some point that drug needs to be made available to other companies to allow them to innovate and make other advances.
    and that is what the law is.
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Copyrights last too long, when they were created they only lasted 28 years which is enough time for someone to make money from their creation but also open it up to innovation as soon as possible so people can take it and build upon on it.
    Today they last 20 years, which seems fine.

    ...For applications filed on or after June 8, 1995, utility and plant patents are granted for a term which begins with the date of the grant and usually ends 20 years from the date you first applied for the patent subject to the payment of appropriate maintenance fees for a utility patent. There are no maintenance fees for plant patents . Design patents last 14 years from the date you are granted the patent. No maintenance fees are required for design patents.

    Note: Patents in force on June 8, 1995 and patents issued thereafter on applications filed prior to June 8, 1995 automatically have a term that is the greater of the twenty year term discussed above or seventeen years from the patent grant....

    So... not forever.

    And, again, patent protection is good for the US because we are the ones with the patents who are being violated.
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    and that is what the law is.
    Currenlty copyrgiht last way too long for that to happen and patents have issues with them being issued for things that are too vague and the further issue of patent trolls which both stifle innovation and only lead to frivolous lawsuits.

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