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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    They are good for American businesses, but bad for bad for the American people and innovation.
    Sure. No doubt all those businesses are staffed by robots, and the only inventors today are foreigners here on student visas

    Protection of intellectual property is excellent for innovation because it incentivizes it.
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Sure. No doubt all those businesses are staffed by robots, and the only people inventing anything today are foreigners here on student visas
    Having restrictive copyrights that last forever and vague patents only serve to stifle innovation and competition in the industry. Restrictive copyrights and patents only help established large businesses in the industry to keep their grip and prevent anyone else from innovating and entering it the way most of them did. In the long run it harms everyone but the corporations profiting from it as people are not allowed to innovate and make money.

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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Having restrictive copyrights that last forever and vague patents only serve to stifle innovation and competition in the industry. Restrictive copyrights and patents only help established large businesses in the industry to keep their grip and prevent anyone else from innovating and entering it the way most of them did. In the long run it harms everyone but the corporations profiting from it as people are not allowed to innovate and make money.
    That's an interesting claim. Who has restrictive copyrights that last forever?

    In the long run it harms everyone but the corporations profiting from it as people are not allowed to innovate and make money.
    This, however, is particularly laughable. Without solid patent protection, the individual who innovates has no ability whatsoever to make money and is completely unprotected from a corporation taking his design and using their greater resources to more quickly and cheaply produce it.
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    They are good for American businesses, but bad for the American people and innovation.
    How is protecting intellectual property bad for innovation?

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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Just as the title says. I for one am for it because of what it could potentially mean for import of American autos to countries such as South Korea and Japan.
    I'm for it because free trade enriches all participants.
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No, no no, it's just a secretive grand design to undermine US sovereignty and put all of your blogs at risk of being censored by foreign powers



    The arguments you put forth were nonsense. If you are committing intellectual theft, then you should get caught.



    That is 100% correct. The TPP is also fantastic foreign policy and geopolitics (not the same thing). By creating a free-trade atmosphere with much of Asia, the US can mitigate and roll back much of the economic exclusivity that China has been trying to enforce in the same region. We not only benefit from increased trade, but we help to protect smaller democracies from encroachment by an aggressive autocratic nature and we reduce the future chances that a forced alliance restricts our abilities to access key markets and shipping lanes. There is a good reason why administrations that feature everyone from Dick Cheney to Samantha Powers favored and pushed the TPP, and it's because it is excellent policy.
    Oh G_d, no.
    You are to far gone.
    There is no conspiracy.
    The arguments are relevant.
    And clearly you have bought into it being a great idea when it isn't.
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Oh G_d, no.
    You are to far gone.
    There is no conspiracy.
    The arguments are relevant.
    And clearly you have bought into it being a great idea when it isn't.
    If you are going to descend into a Just So Fallacy, okay. There isn't much for it at that point.

    This agreement is good for us economically, it is good for us geopolitically, and it is a rare foreign policy initiative that this administration has managed not to completely **** up. I've been following the TPP for about 5 years now. But thanks for telling me all about it.
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    How is protecting intellectual property bad for innovation?
    Improper and overly restrictive protection of intellectual property is bad for innovation.

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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Here's what we know about the TPP---absolutely zero.
    Which was the GOP complaint with PPACA--pass it and we'll tell you what's in it .
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    If you are going to descend into a Just So Fallacy, okay. There isn't much for it at that point.

    This agreement is good for us economically, it is good for us geopolitically, and it is a rare foreign policy initiative that this administration has managed not to completely **** up. I've been following the TPP for about 5 years now. But thanks for telling me all about it.
    No it isn't.
    But you can't see that becasue you have already bought into it.
    Hook, line, and sinker.
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