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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    From the parts of the agreement we know; I am 100% against it. We know what NAFTA caused, and I honestly have no idea why any working or middle class American would be for this agreement, this agreement is essentially NAFTA on steroids.
    It's for working class and middle class Americans that know what they are doing, and for processes that patents can protect to keep them in America. It also wouldn't make logistical sense to ship out a lot of the jobs that this supposedly would ship out because of cost of freight. It could for example, bring more regional factories for certain devices (electronics) and encourage the production of hybrid cars within America rather than China because prohibitive cost are taken out.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Created and discussed in secret, gives the Chinese untold access to our lands, goods, jobs and resources at wholesale, and denies any future repeal by any government or democratic action.

    This agreement was created by China, for China. We owe them so much frigging money in trade deficits that we are literally ready to kowtow our entire economic way of life to them.

    This treaty is really the nail in the coffin for our economy, and most people don't even know about it. Neo-liberalism has destroyed everything that was once good. The globalists have won.
    Nothing about this is true and shows you just go with the flow. China is not involved in this right now and as I understand it, even if they are USA will dictate the terms. I'd also like to point out that the terms of the agreement dictate a living wage to the asian countries meaning a lot of jobs that were shipped over there could potentially come back over here due to cost savings.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    No one except those who are for big government and a world government should be for this.


    Why are so many people against the TPP?

    One of the major issues with the TPP is its effect on Freedom of Speech. Remember how everyone was concerned about the potential ramifications of SOPA and PIPA back when the US government was trying to crack down on “internet piracy”? Well, multiply that times a billion and then don’t run it through Congress, and you have, in a nutshell, the future effects of the TPP on the internet.

    Under the guise of protecting intellectual copyrights, if the TPP goes through, the internet will change dramatically. It could turn internet service providers into watchdogs, and threaten our ability to communicate unfettered on blogs, forums, websites and social media platforms.

    ISPs will be forced to monitor the content of their customers (without warrants) because it is they who will face huge liability if copyrights are “infringed” upon.

    “Fair Use” policies will be restricted, existing copyrights will be greatly lengthened, and adopt criminal sanctions against those who infringe on copyrights, even without monetary motivations.

    Our own Constitutional checks and balances will no longer apply. There will be no right to privacy and no due process. Webpages can be taken down based on only a complaint – proof will not be required. Innocent until proven guilty will not apply.


    The TPP for Dummies | The Daily Sheeple




    Trans-Pacific Partnership Takes Legal Authority Away from Domestic Courts

    Trans-Pacific Partnership Takes Legal Authority Away from Domestic Courts
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    It's for working class and middle class Americans that know what they are doing, and for processes that patents can protect to keep them in America. It also wouldn't make logistical sense to ship out a lot of the jobs that this supposedly would ship out because of cost of freight. It could for example, bring more regional factories for certain devices (electronics) and encourage the production of hybrid cars within America rather than China because prohibitive cost are taken out.
    Ahhh yes... Somehow thats just not true at all.

    "Instead, the TPP looks like it will just constitute one more step toward using commercial agreements to maximize three things: (1) the damage done through global integration to the wages of most American workers; (2) the rents earned by those holding a monopoly on intellectual property claims; and (3) the influence that the preferences of global economic elites have on the policymaking of American trading partners." http://s1.epi.org/files/pdf/83872.pdf
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Ahhh yes... Somehow thats just not true at all.

    "Instead, the TPP looks like it will just constitute one more step toward using commercial agreements to maximize three things: (1) the damage done through global integration to the wages of most American workers; (2) the rents earned by those holding a monopoly on intellectual property claims; and (3) the influence that the preferences of global economic elites have on the policymaking of American trading partners." http://s1.epi.org/files/pdf/83872.pdf
    All you have presented to me is a partisan think-tank...I'm all for research but even though I'm democrat I don't believe their own BS unless it's backed up from something unbiased or has a good counter point.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    All you have presented to me is a partisan think-tank...I'm all for research but even though I'm democrat I don't believe their own BS unless it's backed up from something unbiased or has a good counter point.
    Ummmm.... You do know the Democratic Party does not have coherent position on this treaty, right? Do to dismiss this report as somehow "Democrats own BS", especially when you have offered, what?
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    David Ricardo demonstrated how free trade benefited both partners centuries ago. For it.


    For the claim that it was made in China by China:
    Worth noting, Democrats: President Trump will have a Pen and a Phone. #Precedent.

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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Ahhh yes... Somehow thats just not true at all.

    "Instead, the TPP looks like it will just constitute one more step toward using commercial agreements to maximize three things: (1) the damage done through global integration to the wages of most American workers; (2) the rents earned by those holding a monopoly on intellectual property claims; and (3) the influence that the preferences of global economic elites have on the policymaking of American trading partners." http://s1.epi.org/files/pdf/83872.pdf
    Excuse me, what is your preferred immigration policy, again?
    Worth noting, Democrats: President Trump will have a Pen and a Phone. #Precedent.

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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    David Ricardo demonstrated how free trade benefited both partners centuries ago. For it.
    Unfortunately this isn't just about free trade.

    Why are so many people against the TPP?

    One of the major issues with the TPP is its effect on Freedom of Speech. Remember how everyone was concerned about the potential ramifications of SOPA and PIPA back when the US government was trying to crack down on “internet piracy”? Well, multiply that times a billion and then don’t run it through Congress, and you have, in a nutshell, the future effects of the TPP on the internet.

    Under the guise of protecting intellectual copyrights, if the TPP goes through, the internet will change dramatically. It could turn internet service providers into watchdogs, and threaten our ability to communicate unfettered on blogs, forums, websites and social media platforms.

    ISPs will be forced to monitor the content of their customers (without warrants) because it is they who will face huge liability if copyrights are “infringed” upon.

    “Fair Use” policies will be restricted, existing copyrights will be greatly lengthened, and adopt criminal sanctions against those who infringe on copyrights, even without monetary motivations.

    Our own Constitutional checks and balances will no longer apply. There will be no right to privacy and no due process. Webpages can be taken down based on only a complaint – proof will not be required. Innocent until proven guilty will not apply.


    The TPP for Dummies | The Daily Sheeple




    Trans-Pacific Partnership Takes Legal Authority Away from Domestic Courts

    Trans-Pacific Partnership Takes Legal Authority Away from Domestic Courts
    “The law is reason, free from passion.”
    Aristotle
    (≚ᄌ≚)

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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Excuse me, what is your preferred immigration policy, again?
    Thats not about immigration.....
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