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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I totally understand the principle of blind support of big business at the expense of little workers, as I previously understood your principles of justification of targeting civilians with nukes, been listening to you for some time now.
    "Targeting civilians with nukes" saved hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of lives. Another principle of mine.
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    As already posted, I favor free trade on principle, always and everywhere.
    Except this isn't free trade. Not at all. That's what you don't seem to get.
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Except this isn't free trade. Not at all. That's what you don't seem to get.
    Yes, it is.
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Yes, it is.
    Do you think NAFTA is free trade, out of curiosity? How do you define free trade?
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Do you think NAFTA is free trade, out of curiosity? How do you define free trade?
    Yes. NAFTA is free trade.
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Yes. NAFTA is free trade.
    No, NAFTA is managed trade. Free trade does not require 2000 pages of text. As just one example, NAFTA created a Labor Commission, whose purpose is to level the playing field between trading partners with regard to labor costs. That isn't free trade at all.

    With all due respect, you don't have a clue what free trade actually is. This article from the free market oriented foundation for economic education should help clear things up. Just because it has "free trade" in the name doesn't mean that is what it is actually about. Just like how the Patriot act has nothing to do with patriotism.
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    No, NAFTA is managed trade. Free trade does not require 2000 pages of text. As just one example, NAFTA created a Labor Commission, whose purpose is to level the playing field between trading partners with regard to labor costs. That isn't free trade at all.

    With all due respect, you don't have a clue what free trade actually is. This article from the free market oriented foundation for economic education should help clear things up. Just because it has "free trade" in the name doesn't mean that is what it is actually about. Just like how the Patriot act has nothing to do with patriotism.
    It's free enough for me and the economists I respect, and I'm uninterested in your pedantry. Sorry.
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    It's free enough for me and the economists I respect, and I'm uninterested in your pedantry. Sorry.
    Looking at what something actually is as opposed to accepting it blindly because of what it is called is not pedantry. I am sorry you are so easily gulled.
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Looking at what something actually is as opposed to accepting it blindly because of what it is called is not pedantry. I am sorry you are so easily gulled.

    I accept the real world definition on the basis of which real people make real decisions.
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I accept the real world definition on the basis of which real people make real decisions.
    Me too. But calling an orange an apple doesn't change the fact that it's still an orange.
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