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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Oh you think the high number of immigrants entering the US is a good thing? Even if they are considered "legal" or "illegal"?
    I would favor open borders.
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Oh you think the high number of immigrants entering the US is a good thing? Even if they are considered "legal" or "illegal"?
    Big-business interests have a large stake in the outcome of the debate over immigration, and they have spent much money supporting libertarian “think-tanks” that espouse an open-border policy for the United States. By all appearances, this has very little to do with any principled commitment to libertarian principles, but is a way to provide ideological cover for multi-national corporations who lobby for the passage of legislation that will undermine the standing of American workers and force taxpayers to subsidize the costs of a cheaper foreign labor force. An open border, or at least a more open border, would allow corporations to further consolidate their hold on the U.S. economy, while the middle class would lose more of its economic and political power.

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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    For free trade, against this agreement. This agreement is not free trade at all - it is a crony capitalist behemoth. On top of that it has horrific hidden provisions...the crooks in Congress basically tried to sneak SOPA/CISPA in hoping nobody would notice. It is an unacceptable piece of garbage that anyone who cares about economic and personal freedom should be against.
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    For free trade, against this agreement. This agreement is not free trade at all - it is a crony capitalist behemoth. On top of that it has horrific hidden provisions...the crooks in Congress basically tried to sneak SOPA/CISPA in hoping nobody would notice. It is an unacceptable piece of garbage that anyone who cares about economic and personal freedom should be against.
    Agreed, and we are.
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Agreed, and we are.



    ". . . An accurate description of TPP might go something like this: “The vast majority of trade affected by the deal would be between the United States and countries that are either high-wage developed nations, or moderate-income emerging economies. The deal would enhance the free-trade pacts the United States already has with some countries in both categories. Any modest risk to U.S. jobs from increased Vietnamese and Malaysian imports would be offset, at least in part, by improved U.S. access to their markets, and to that of Japan. TPP is about not only economics but also the geopolitical benefits of making already close ties between the United States and this strategic region even closer.”. . . "
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

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    ". . . An accurate description of TPP might go something like this: “The vast majority of trade affected by the deal would be between the United States and countries that are either high-wage developed nations, or moderate-income emerging economies. The deal would enhance the free-trade pacts the United States already has with some countries in both categories. Any modest risk to U.S. jobs from increased Vietnamese and Malaysian imports would be offset, at least in part, by improved U.S. access to their markets, and to that of Japan. TPP is about not only economics but also the geopolitical benefits of making already close ties between the United States and this strategic region even closer.”. . . "
    Nice opinion piece. He might as well weigh in, everybody else is. TPP is an economic NATO in the pacific, designed to tie Asian trade to the US blocking China out. It's not about the American worker.
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Nice opinion piece. He might as well weigh in, everybody else is.
    So you don't dispute the facts?
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    So you don't dispute the facts?
    Facts, lol. It's an "opinion" piece, says so at the top. It's a nice opinion, and I think he makes some good points, as do so many others for and against it. But the negotiators are corporate execs and industry lobbyists. There's nothing that he or yourself can say to remove my suspicions. I'll wait to see what's rolled out.
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Facts, lol. It's an "opinion" piece, says so at the top. It's a nice opinion, and I think he makes some good points, as do so many others for and against it. But the negotiators are corporate execs and industry lobbyists. There's nothing that he or yourself can say to remove my suspicions. I'll wait to see what's rolled out.
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    Re: For or against the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill​ View Post
    What, you mean like how it is also a pretty good-sized foreign policy victory,
    Still nothign relevant I see.

    Like I said.
    "Let me know when you have something relevant to say.
    Like maybe when it passes and has been in effect for some time. "
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