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Zimmereman the good guy[W:46]

Is Zimmeeman a good guy and still justified in killing Martin

  • Zimmerman still Justified and the victim

    Votes: 3 27.3%
  • he baited Treavon into a fight then shot him

    Votes: 7 63.6%
  • not sure what to think of Zimmereman

    Votes: 1 9.1%

  • Total voters
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mostly cops, federal prosecutors, Judges, court service officers, Federal Probation Department agents etc

and yes that is what most of them believe.
Like I said, I have no doubt that the people you talk to believe that.
 
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Did your TV automatically switch off when they showed the just as numerous and experienced criminal defense attorneys and prosecutors who came to the same conclusion the jury did?

Obviously so. and when you have a split like that-it screams reasonable doubt

if the decision was based on a preponderance of the evidence (civil standards as well as for relevant conduct under the United States (Federal) Sentencing Guidelines) then a fifty fifty split generally means it could have gone either way. On a criminal case, such a split when the burden is to prove guilt Beyond reasonable doubt, the prosecution almost always should lose
 
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Just because he obviously has anger issues and possibly mental issues,
While you believe that, it has not been established by any supported claim.


He certainly escalated the situation by following Trayvon.
Following to keep eyes on a suspicious person until the LEO you called arrives is not escalating.
That is a concerned neighbor looking out for his neighborhood.





Flashing a gun in front of his ex-girlfriend and her father while they were moving out her things!!!!!!please give me a break...
This is you making things up to believe.
That is not what was claimed, and what was claimed turned out not to have happened.





Zimmerman is an aggressive, mentally unstable nut who got away with murder because of an incompetent and/or unmotivated defense as well as an ignorant jury bullied by a racist psycho.
No. That speaks far more about you than it does him.


Listening to the white supremacist garbage and the minimization of violence against black people has been old for hundreds of years. Once douche bags cut that **** out, everyone will "get over it".
Hyperbolic nonsense.
You haven't even been alive a hundred years let alone hundreds.


I watched the trial. He's right.
No he isn't.
Nor are you.


really? I didn't watch the entire trial but I read up on it and its the right call. And this is coming from someone who has about 2000 hours of criminal trials under my belt. Zman was not guilty BEYOND a reasonable doubt. end of story.
In addition to watching the trial, I also read and watched comments from criminal defense attorneys and prosecutors with just as much experience who came to the EXACT OPPOSITE conclusion as you. Your word means nothing. End of story.
iLOL
That is funny considering the actual trial showed that they didn't have as much experience or knowledge and were unequivocally wrong.
 
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I followed the trial, and it was very obvious that he provoked and escalated the confrontation in the face of direct law enforcement advice to stand down. He was guilty as sin and the jury that acquitted him was on crack.
You obviously did not watch the trial, as ...
he was not given any advice to stand down.
nothing he did caused the unprovoked attack by Trayvon.
following to keep eyes on a suspicious person until the LEO you called arrives is not escalating anything.​

The facts are that with an emergency operator on the phone telling him to stand down,
Wrong
The fact is a call-taker told Zimmerman that they didn't need him to do that.
It was nothing more than a suggestion, which Zimmerman followed.


that crazy dumbass piece of **** stalked an innocent young man at night,
There was no stalking.
Following to keep eyes on a suspicious person until the LEO you called arrives, is not stalking.


provoked an unnecessary fight,
He provoked no fight.
Instead of remaining away, Trayvon came back and attacked him.


and then tried to claim self defense after his victim ended up dead.
Tried? :lamo
It was self defense.


That's textbook murder two under the law,
You clearly know not of what you speak.


and nobody has presented any counter-argument whatsoever
Again demonstrating that you know not of what you speak.


However, there's no disputing the fact that he started the fight, that he provoked Martin. He followed him for some distance, at night, and then stopped him and confronted him after being told to stand down.

That's murder two.
The above are the manifestations of convoluted thoughts.
You are wrong.
 
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As someone who has so much experience in criminal law, you know that juries can get it wrong. As other criminal lawyers with as much experience as you have said, the jury did, in fact, get it wrong.

yep but in this case they didn't. and I don't have an agenda. I think both of the protagonists were scum bags. Most of those who wanted Zman found guilty are black apologists, anti self defense activists and others who have an agenda. Its the same as those who cheered OJ simpson (where the jury did get it wrong), the individual and the facts didn't matter. It was all about black racism and using a trial to express rage towards a "white" justice system

the crime rate in this country will go way down when blacks actually believe black lives matter BTW
 
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I was responding to you point by point until I got here. Given that you've addressed this to me while assuming I'm black, this is very hateful. I'll pray for you instead of adding to the fire.

I'm not one to mince words or hold back. The point of my involvement in this thread from the beginning has been to show how the victimhood mentality that's prevalent in the black community right now is a crock, how they need to stop whining.

When someone whines and plays victim, you look them right in the eye and tell them to stuff it. You don't coddle and enable their bad behavior or they'll just continue to whine and throw tantrums to get what they want
 
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yep but in this case they didn't. and I don't have an agenda. I think both of the protagonists were scum bags. Most of those who wanted Zman found guilty are black apologists, anti self defense activists and others who have an agenda. Its the same as those who cheered OJ simpson (where the jury did get it wrong), the individual and the facts didn't matter. It was all about black racism and using a trial to express rage towards a "white" justice system

the crime rate in this country will go way down when blacks actually believe black lives matter BTW
The uninformed, white-supremacy-based beliefs that you're espousing are part of the problem. The crime rate in this country will go down which people who hold beliefs like you do are removed from power and replaced with people who have a more well-researched understanding of racism in this country. As much as I wish we could just fast forward to that time, I can be patient as we steadily get there.
 
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The uninformed, white-supremacy-based beliefs that you're espousing are part of the problem. The crime rate in this country will go down which people who hold beliefs like you do are removed from power and replaced with people who have a more well-researched understanding of racism in this country. As much as I wish we could just fast forward to that time, I can be patient as we steadily get there.

It's not a "belief" that blacks kill blacks in very large numbers -- it's fact.
 
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The uninformed, white-supremacy-based beliefs that you're espousing are part of the problem. The crime rate in this country will go down which people who hold beliefs like you do are removed from power and replaced with people who have a more well-researched understanding of racism in this country. As much as I wish we could just fast forward to that time, I can be patient as we steadily get there.

"white supremacy based beliefs" LOL

keep making excuses for black criminals. keep blaming whitey for blacks having a 80% illegitimacy rate and black 25 year old men knocking up 5-7 15-17 year old black females creating more and more one parent households run by women who have no marketable skills

and people like me are in a position of power because we are better educated than those who want to blame everything on whitey
 
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It's not a "belief" that blacks kill blacks in very large numbers -- it's fact.

of come on Josie-its a myth. Its a myth that black males under the age of 40, less than 6% of the population commit over 50% of the murders. Its a myth that 35% of all black males are under the supervision of the court system-either incarcerated, on parole, or on supervised relief. Its fiction that one of of three black males will have a felony record by the time he dies or that less than 3 out of ten black children will grow up in a two parent household

and all those myths are spewed by white supremacists!!
 
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I'm not one to mince words or hold back.
I know quite a few people who neither mince words nor hold back, but manage to not be hateful. Like I said, I'll pray for you.

The point of my involvement in this thread from the beginning has been to show how the victimhood mentality that's prevalent in the black community right now is a crock, how they need to stop whining.

When someone whines and plays victim, you look them right in the eye and tell them to stuff it. You don't coddle and enable their bad behavior or they'll just continue to whine and throw tantrums to get what they want
Well, you did get one thing right. The Black Lives Matter movement is going to get exactly what it wants.
 
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It's not a "belief" that blacks kill blacks in very large numbers -- it's fact.
This is a random comment. Turtledude didn't even say anything about that so what are you talking about?
 
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The crime rate in this country will go down ... and replaced with people who have a more well-researched understanding of racism in this country.
If the day ever comes when those people you think are more researched in that ideology are in power, things will be far worse than they are now.
Mosby is an example of just that.
 
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I don't understand how you can say that. I followed the trial, and it was very obvious that he provoked and escalated the confrontation in the face of direct law enforcement advice to stand down. He was guilty as sin and the jury that acquitted him was on crack.

Completely disagree and, prior to the trial, I made very little comment on the case because I wanted to see what the evidence presented at trial was. I fully supported the case going to trial, btw. That's exactly what jury trials are for. When the state's best witness says that Martin was on top pummeling Zimmerman, it's difficult to imagine the state being able to meet their burden of proof, which required not just proof that Zimmerman shot Martin but they also had to disprove self defense by that same high burden and they couldn't, not because the prosecutor sucked (or whatever other excuses were thrown out there) but because the facts didn't support it.
 
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"white supremacy based beliefs" LOL

keep making excuses for black criminals. keep blaming whitey for blacks having a 80% illegitimacy rate and black 25 year old men knocking up 5-7 15-17 year old black females creating more and more one parent households run by women who have no marketable skills

and people like me are in a position of power because we are better educated than those who want to blame everything on whitey
Even more white supremacy. Comments like yours are part of the problem - part of the reason people like Zimmerman get away with murder - part of the reason thousands of people have protested in hundreds of Black Lives Matter protests worldwide.
 
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This is a random comment. Turtledude didn't even say anything about that so what are you talking about?

Yes, he did. He said...

the crime rate in this country will go way down when blacks actually believe black lives matter BTW

...which you called some sort of "white supremacy belief".
 
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The law and a jury didn't see it your way. :shrug:

That was a hell of a jury, not caving to popular opinion but following the law contained in the jury charge as they swore an oath to do.
 
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Yes, he did. He said...

...which you called some sort of "white supremacy belief".
Where, in that comment, does he mention intracommunity crime within the black population? Was that some sort of racist dog whistle that I missed where one racist says that black people don't believe that black lives matter and other racists automatically know that they're referring to crime within the black community? Even further, the argument that black people as a whole don't value their lives because a minority of black people are criminals is a white supremacist belief.

In any case, if that's what he was referring to, then it makes no sense. White people kill each other in large numbers so does that mean that they don't value white lives? This again demonstrates that TD espoused a white supremacist belief. He doesn't apply the same standards to white and black people.

For what it's worth, I realize that I'm talking to people who are part of the problem so if you don't get what I'm saying, I understand. I know you're not stupid or anything, just uninformed.
 
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Even more white supremacy. Comments like yours are part of the problem - part of the reason people like Zimmerman get away with murder - part of the reason thousands of people have protested in hundreds of Black Lives Matter protests worldwide.
No.

Your ideology is the problem. You just can't see that because you are blinded by it.

Which is the same reason that you wrongly see Zimmerman as have committing murder.
 
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Even more white supremacy. Comments like yours are part of the problem - part of the reason people like Zimmerman get away with murder - part of the reason thousands of people have protested in hundreds of Black Lives Matter protests worldwide.

so you think any fact that is less than flattering for your race is "white supremacy"?

why do you engage in black defeatism?

zimmerman didn't get away with murder. He got away with bad judgment that could have cost him his life

Travon Muggin was a thug and paid the price for being a thug
 
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I understand the law quite well....my son is a l.a. county sheriff and I am a field property manager I deal with the law everyday... childish hmmmm I don't make statements about people I don't know like maybe you are prejudice..and I never said you thought zimmerman was a good guy..i guess o.j. was not guilty either lol correct? my statement was about character not the law and the reason he got off.

Well look at your poll question. Whether or not "Zimmeeman" was a "good guy" is completely seperate and irrelevant to the question of whether or not the state disproved his self defense claim as they were legally required to do.
 
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so you think any fact that is less than flattering for your race is "white supremacy"?

why do you engage in black defeatism?

zimmerman didn't get away with murder. He got away with bad judgment that could have cost him his life

Travon Muggin was a thug and paid the price for being a thug
More assumptions that I'm black. Are there any other races besides black and white on DP? Nobody ever remembers the Asians, Hispanics and Native Americans.

Again, you're espousing white supremacist beliefs and minimizing the concerns of someone who you assume is black, which is how white supremacists talk to black people.
 
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Where, in that comment, does he mention intracommunity crime within the black population? Was that some sort of racist dog whistle that I missed where one racist says that black people don't believe that black lives matter and other racists automatically know that they're referring to crime within the black community? Even further, the argument that black people as a whole don't value their lives because a minority of black people are criminals is a white supremacist belief.

We're done here. You can't talk about this topic without calling the people racists. Have a nice night.
 
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Assume much? A blind idiot could have seen Zimmerman was guilty; he should thank the gods he was tried in Florida.

I agree. It would take a blind idiot to think he should have been convicted on the evidence presented. :2razz:


(I don't really mean that, I actually think there's room for reasonable minds to differ - just responding in kind)
 
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More assumptions that I'm black. Are there any other races besides black and white on DP? Nobody ever remembers the Asians, Hispanics and Native Americans.

Again, you're espousing white supremacist beliefs and minimizing the concerns of someone who you assume is black, which is how white supremacists talk to black people.

You know very well why folks here are assuming you are black. Actually it's a bit of a favorable assumption on their part. The other options are far less than flattering to your intelligence.
 
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