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Zimmereman the good guy[W:46]

Is Zimmeeman a good guy and still justified in killing Martin

  • Zimmerman still Justified and the victim

    Votes: 3 27.3%
  • he baited Treavon into a fight then shot him

    Votes: 7 63.6%
  • not sure what to think of Zimmereman

    Votes: 1 9.1%

  • Total voters
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In Mableton, Georgia late last month, four black people allegedly beat white man Joshua Chellew, then pushed him into the street to be hit by a car. The four have been charged with murder.

Because Chellew, a white man, was with a black woman at the time, it is speculated this was the reason for his murder
Like you said, they were charged with murder. That's what happens to the majority of Black people who commit crimes. In case you haven't noticed, most protests, including those around Zimmerman, have been centered on the fact that people can kill Black people and GET AWAY WITH IT.
 
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The facts are that with an emergency operator on the phone telling him to stand down, that crazy dumbass piece of **** stalked an innocent young man at night, provoked an unnecessary fight, and then tried to claim self defense after his victim ended up dead. That's textbook murder two under the law, and nobody has presented any counter-argument whatsoever other than the fact that Trayvon "wasn't an angel".

Zman was a wannabe cop. He showed poor judgment and probably was thinking with his little head. However the acquittal was the right call under the law. Does that make Zman a saint? Nope, he's most likely a scum bag. But even Scum bags can have a reason to justifiably use a gun and Thugon Martin gave him that reason

a pox on both those assholes.
 
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I'm sorry that you see the anger, frustration and protests surrounding violence against black people is such a reductionist way because it's going to be rough dealing with it for the rest of your life since that's how long this is going to last.

In one of Knoxville's most horrific crimes, Channon Christian, 21, and boyfriend Christopher Newsom, 23, both white, were carjacked, kidnapped, raped and slain by three black men.

The young white man's body was found alongside railroad tracks near Chipman Street in East Knoxville. He had been raped with an object and then shot three times. The final shot was delivered execution style.

He had been gagged with a sock stuffed in his mouth. His ankles were bound with his own belt. His hands were secured behind his back. His face was wrapped in a bandanna. His head was covered with a sweatshirt tied around his neck with shoestrings.

Forensic evidence showed that he had been raped in the final hours of his life. He was forced to walk barefoot to the railroad tracks that ran parallel to Chipman Street and shot in the neck and back. As Newsom lay paralyzed on the ground, the muzzle of a .22-caliber gun was placed against his covered head and fired. His body would later be wrapped up in a comforter, doused in gasoline and set afire.

Christian,the 21 year old white woman, meanwhile, was tied up inside the Chipman Street house of Davidson, a stranger to her. She was repeatedly raped orally, vaginally and rectally. At some point, she was savagely attacked in her genital region, either kicked or beaten with an object.

She suffered two blows to the head and was dragged into the carpeted living room of Davidson's Chipman Street home. Bleach was sprayed down her throat, an apparent effort to destroy DNA evidence.

She was hogtied with strips of fabric from a bedding set. Still alive, her body was encased in black garbage bags and her head wrapped in a white plastic grocery bag. Christian was then stuffed inside a trash can and left to die, slowly suffocating.
 
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I watched the trial. He's right. The only people who, at this point, still think that Zimmerman was innocent have their head in the sand.

really? I didn't watch the entire trial but I read up on it and its the right call. And this is coming from someone who has about 2000 hours of criminal trials under my belt. Zman was not guilty BEYOND a reasonable doubt. end of story.
 
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Anyone who wants to say whites are more violent against blacks than vv, try me. There's many many stories like the above that the media simply doesn't report, because it's not OC to report black in white crime. Try me.
 
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I'm sorry that you see the anger, frustration and protests surrounding violence against black people is such a reductionist way because it's going to be rough dealing with it for the rest of your life since that's how long this is going to last.

95% of the problems black males face in the USA are self caused. Even black cops or DAs or Feds will say this if they know you well enough.
 
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I could find literally millions of stories of how black people have been lynched, raped, tortured, murdered, beaten, enslaved, discriminated against and otherwise destroyed by white people, but, unlike you, I'm not going to exploit people's pain to prove a point. Besides, Gina already told us to stay on topic. The topic is Zimmerman.
 
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95% of the problems black males face in the USA are self caused. Even black cops or DAs or Feds will say this if they know you well enough.
I have no doubt that the people you talk to believe that.
 
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really? I didn't watch the entire trial but I read up on it and its the right call. And this is coming from someone who has about 2000 hours of criminal trials under my belt. Zman was not guilty BEYOND a reasonable doubt. end of story.
In addition to watching the trial, I also read and watched comments from criminal defense attorneys and prosecutors with just as much experience who came to the EXACT OPPOSITE conclusion as you. Your word means nothing. End of story.
 
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I could find literally millions of stories of how black people have been lynched, raped, tortured, murdered, beaten, enslaved, discriminated against and otherwise destroyed by white people, but, unlike you, I'm not going to exploit people's pain to prove a point. Besides, Gina already told us to stay on topic. The topic is Zimmerman.

Stories from 150 years ago. Find one example of white criminals raping and torturinf black victims that equals the story I posted, but from the past 25 years. I bet you can't find even one. I have many more examples of black on white crime if I wanted to go there.

The point is Zimmerman. Don't cry about one instance of white on black crime when the reverse happens every single day across the country.
 
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Where is the reasonable doubt? Which of the facts is in dispute?

You already know because you watched the trial. But I'll remind you....

-- Trayvon Martin was on TOP of GZ beating him up.
-- Trayvon Martin was trying to get at GZ's gun and told him he was going to die tonight.
-- George Zimmerman was screaming for someone to help him (witnesses and audio corroborates this)

There's your reasonable doubt that GZ murdered Martin in cold blood. It might have been (and I say it was) self-defense.
 
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Stories from 150 years ago. Find one example of white criminals raping and torturinf black victims that equals the story I posted, but from the past 25 years. I bet you can't find even one. I have many more examples of black on white crime if I wanted to go there.

The point is Zimmerman. Don't cry about one instance of white on black crime when the reverse happens every single day across the country.
I'm not going to be goaded into breaking the warning Gina posted. If you want to talk about Zimmerman, post something about him.
 
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There's your reasonable doubt that GZ murdered Martin in cold blood. It might have been (and I say it was) self-defense.

I never argued that GZ murdered Martin "in cold blood"-- that's not murder two. I don't think he ever had any intention of killing Martin until he pulled the trigger.

However, there's no disputing the fact that he started the fight, that he provoked Martin. He followed him for some distance, at night, and then stopped him and confronted him after being told to stand down.

That's murder two.
 
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I'm not going to be goaded into breaking the warning Gina posted. If you want to talk about Zimmerman, post something about him.

One can't discuss Zimmerman without considering the larger context. People are angry about the Zimmerman case because it was a glamorized example of white on black violence.

Your own avatar is @black lives matter@, which emblemizes the mindset of a people who consider themselves victims.

My point is you're not victims. You're perpetrators of interracial violence much more often than you are victims. Stats back that up.

So you want to bring it home to Zummerman in that context: you're not victims, shut up, nobody wants to hear this whining anymore about being victims of white violence when your own people haven't exactly been on their best behavior.
 
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I never argued that GZ murdered Martin "in cold blood"-- that's not murder two. I don't think he ever had any intention of killing Martin until he pulled the trigger.

However, there's no disputing the fact that he started the fight, that he provoked Martin. He followed him for some distance, at night, and then stopped him and confronted him after being told to stand down.

That's murder two.

No, he didn't start the fight --- yes, he followed him and confronted him. That's not an excuse for Trayvon Martin to then attack him, hold him to the ground, shove his head into the pavement, punch him and try to get to his gun. As I've said before, BOTH people did the wrong thing in not just minding their own beeswax and leaving the scene. BOTH men are at fault for what happened. But once GZ was pinned to the ground and could not help himself - he had every right to defend himself. That's not guilty of murder two.
 
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In addition to watching the trial, I also read and watched comments from criminal defense attorneys and prosecutors with just as much experience who came to the EXACT OPPOSITE conclusion as you. Your word means nothing. End of story.

Did your TV automatically switch off when they showed the just as numerous and experienced criminal defense attorneys and prosecutors who came to the same conclusion the jury did?
 
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No, he didn't start the fight --- yes, he followed him and confronted him.

I also question the factual nature of confronting him as well. Testimony from the girlfriend indicates Martin confronted Zimmerman to see why he was being followed.
 
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You're saying the same **** people have said about every human rights movement. People called abolitionists, suffragists, civil right activists and gay rights activists "blind idiots" and worse. What such critics, including you, fail to realize is that those supposed "blind idiots" continue to fight until they get what they want. Literally every single one of those groups got what they want and the Black Lives Matter movement is going to get what it wants and then, in the future, children will read history books and laugh at the people who mocked them.

In case you can''t tell, it's become much easier for me to mock and dismiss comments like your since I realized history is on my side.

Interesting position. Protesters are correct because they protest and won't stop protesting. Does this apply to all those KKK marches too?

If black lives really mattered to any of the social justice crowd you'd be protesting the black community. You can't duck the fact that the vast majority of black lives taken are taken by other black folks.
 
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you're not victims, shut up, nobody wants to hear this whining anymore about being victims of white violence when your own people haven't exactly been on their best behavior.
I was responding to you point by point until I got here. Given that you've addressed this to me while assuming I'm black, this is very hateful. I'll pray for you instead of adding to the fire.
 
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I have no doubt that the people you talk to believe that.

mostly cops, federal prosecutors, Judges, court service officers, Federal Probation Department agents etc

and yes that is what most of them believe.
 
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In addition to watching the trial, I also read and watched comments from criminal defense attorneys and prosecutors with just as much experience who came to the EXACT OPPOSITE conclusion as you. Your word means nothing. End of story.

yet My belief was upheld by the jury. I guess that means the people you put so much stock in were wrong.
 
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I was responding to you point by point until I got here. Given that you've addressed this to me while assuming I'm black, this is very hateful. I'll pray for you instead of adding to the fire.

Wait, it's hateful in your view to think you are black? Wow.
 
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yet My belief was upheld by the jury. I guess that means the people you put so much stock in were wrong.
As someone who has so much experience in criminal law, you know that juries can get it wrong. As other criminal lawyers with as much experience as you have said, the jury did, in fact, get it wrong.
 
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