View Poll Results: Is Zimmeeman a good guy and still justified in killing Martin

Voters
11. You may not vote on this poll
  • Zimmerman still Justified and the victim

    3 27.27%
  • he baited Treavon into a fight then shot him

    7 63.64%
  • not sure what to think of Zimmereman

    1 9.09%
Page 7 of 11 FirstFirst ... 56789 ... LastLast
Results 61 to 70 of 103

Thread: Zimmereman the good guy[W:46]

  1. #61
    Banned
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    The anals of history
    Last Seen
    07-25-15 @ 01:05 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    10,348

    Re: Zimmereman the good guy

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I could find literally millions of stories of how black people have been lynched, raped, tortured, murdered, beaten, enslaved, discriminated against and otherwise destroyed by white people, but, unlike you, I'm not going to exploit people's pain to prove a point. Besides, Gina already told us to stay on topic. The topic is Zimmerman.
    Stories from 150 years ago. Find one example of white criminals raping and torturinf black victims that equals the story I posted, but from the past 25 years. I bet you can't find even one. I have many more examples of black on white crime if I wanted to go there.

    The point is Zimmerman. Don't cry about one instance of white on black crime when the reverse happens every single day across the country.

  2. #62
    Teacher of All Things



    Josie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    28,200

    Re: Zimmereman the good guy

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Where is the reasonable doubt? Which of the facts is in dispute?
    You already know because you watched the trial. But I'll remind you....

    -- Trayvon Martin was on TOP of GZ beating him up.
    -- Trayvon Martin was trying to get at GZ's gun and told him he was going to die tonight.
    -- George Zimmerman was screaming for someone to help him (witnesses and audio corroborates this)

    There's your reasonable doubt that GZ murdered Martin in cold blood. It might have been (and I say it was) self-defense.


  3. #63
    Sage

    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Last Seen
    08-16-17 @ 11:08 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    19,610

    Re: Zimmereman the good guy

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Stories from 150 years ago. Find one example of white criminals raping and torturinf black victims that equals the story I posted, but from the past 25 years. I bet you can't find even one. I have many more examples of black on white crime if I wanted to go there.

    The point is Zimmerman. Don't cry about one instance of white on black crime when the reverse happens every single day across the country.
    I'm not going to be goaded into breaking the warning Gina posted. If you want to talk about Zimmerman, post something about him.

  4. #64
    Baby Eating Monster
    Korimyr the Rat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Laramie, WY
    Last Seen
    09-11-17 @ 04:22 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    18,708
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Zimmereman the good guy

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    There's your reasonable doubt that GZ murdered Martin in cold blood. It might have been (and I say it was) self-defense.
    I never argued that GZ murdered Martin "in cold blood"-- that's not murder two. I don't think he ever had any intention of killing Martin until he pulled the trigger.

    However, there's no disputing the fact that he started the fight, that he provoked Martin. He followed him for some distance, at night, and then stopped him and confronted him after being told to stand down.

    That's murder two.

  5. #65
    Banned
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    The anals of history
    Last Seen
    07-25-15 @ 01:05 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    10,348

    Re: Zimmereman the good guy

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I'm not going to be goaded into breaking the warning Gina posted. If you want to talk about Zimmerman, post something about him.
    One can't discuss Zimmerman without considering the larger context. People are angry about the Zimmerman case because it was a glamorized example of white on black violence.

    Your own avatar is @black lives matter@, which emblemizes the mindset of a people who consider themselves victims.

    My point is you're not victims. You're perpetrators of interracial violence much more often than you are victims. Stats back that up.

    So you want to bring it home to Zummerman in that context: you're not victims, shut up, nobody wants to hear this whining anymore about being victims of white violence when your own people haven't exactly been on their best behavior.
    Last edited by Peter Grimm; 05-11-15 at 07:00 PM.

  6. #66
    Teacher of All Things



    Josie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    28,200

    Re: Zimmereman the good guy

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    I never argued that GZ murdered Martin "in cold blood"-- that's not murder two. I don't think he ever had any intention of killing Martin until he pulled the trigger.

    However, there's no disputing the fact that he started the fight, that he provoked Martin. He followed him for some distance, at night, and then stopped him and confronted him after being told to stand down.

    That's murder two.
    No, he didn't start the fight --- yes, he followed him and confronted him. That's not an excuse for Trayvon Martin to then attack him, hold him to the ground, shove his head into the pavement, punch him and try to get to his gun. As I've said before, BOTH people did the wrong thing in not just minding their own beeswax and leaving the scene. BOTH men are at fault for what happened. But once GZ was pinned to the ground and could not help himself - he had every right to defend himself. That's not guilty of murder two.
    Last edited by Josie; 05-11-15 at 07:02 PM.


  7. #67
    Sage
    clownboy's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    Oregon
    Last Seen
    08-17-16 @ 09:31 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    26,087

    Re: Zimmereman the good guy

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    In addition to watching the trial, I also read and watched comments from criminal defense attorneys and prosecutors with just as much experience who came to the EXACT OPPOSITE conclusion as you. Your word means nothing. End of story.
    Did your TV automatically switch off when they showed the just as numerous and experienced criminal defense attorneys and prosecutors who came to the same conclusion the jury did?

  8. #68
    cookies crumble
    ARealConservative's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Last Seen
    04-21-17 @ 08:41 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    14,518

    Re: Zimmereman the good guy

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    No, he didn't start the fight --- yes, he followed him and confronted him.
    I also question the factual nature of confronting him as well. Testimony from the girlfriend indicates Martin confronted Zimmerman to see why he was being followed.

  9. #69
    Sage
    clownboy's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    Oregon
    Last Seen
    08-17-16 @ 09:31 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    26,087

    Re: Zimmereman the good guy

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    You're saying the same **** people have said about every human rights movement. People called abolitionists, suffragists, civil right activists and gay rights activists "blind idiots" and worse. What such critics, including you, fail to realize is that those supposed "blind idiots" continue to fight until they get what they want. Literally every single one of those groups got what they want and the Black Lives Matter movement is going to get what it wants and then, in the future, children will read history books and laugh at the people who mocked them.

    In case you can''t tell, it's become much easier for me to mock and dismiss comments like your since I realized history is on my side.
    Interesting position. Protesters are correct because they protest and won't stop protesting. Does this apply to all those KKK marches too?

    If black lives really mattered to any of the social justice crowd you'd be protesting the black community. You can't duck the fact that the vast majority of black lives taken are taken by other black folks.

  10. #70
    Sage

    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Last Seen
    08-16-17 @ 11:08 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    19,610

    Re: Zimmereman the good guy

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    you're not victims, shut up, nobody wants to hear this whining anymore about being victims of white violence when your own people haven't exactly been on their best behavior.
    I was responding to you point by point until I got here. Given that you've addressed this to me while assuming I'm black, this is very hateful. I'll pray for you instead of adding to the fire.

Page 7 of 11 FirstFirst ... 56789 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •