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    Re: Should we end welfare?

    The only people I support getting welfare without some form of work or service in return are persons who are so otherwise disabled that it makes such work or service virtually impossible. Everyone else has some value and can expect to receive financial support in return for work or their service. Government programs to accomplish and achieve this are right and proper.
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    Re: Should we end welfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The only people I support getting welfare without some form of work or service in return are persons who are so otherwise disabled that it makes such work or service virtually impossible. Everyone else has some value and can expect to receive financial support in return for work or their service. Government programs to accomplish and achieve this are right and proper.
    Indeed. I agree. I also agree that it should be a state controlled and funded issue, and not a federal one.
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    Re: Should we end welfare?

    No.

    The primary problem in social safety net is design. Designing these programs to incentivize work while not tugging the rug from underneath them is very difficult. Work should always continue on that.
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    Re: Should we end welfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Indeed. I agree. I also agree that it should be a state controlled and funded issue, and not a federal one.
    If it is a state program that is handing out the welfare or support benefits, I have no problem with the state being in charge and funding it. If it is a federal program that is handing out the welfare or support benefits, I have no problem with the feds being in charge and funding it. I also would support joint coordinated state/federal programs in these same areas if both found it beneficial to their interests and those of the people.
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    Re: Should we end welfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    What value does welfare add that can't be met with soup kitchens, homeless shelters, and giveaways of essentials like used clothing?
    Because the problem of homelessness and poverty are on a scale magnitudes larger than such voluntary organizations are equipped to handle. There is nowhere near enough spare change to bring the poor up.
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    Re: Should we end welfare?

    no, we should not end welfare.

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    Yes, I support ending welfare, but that will never happen. People spending their own time and money to help others is something most people believe can't possibly meet the need to any suitable level. I frankly think that is selling the human race short and is intellectually lazy.

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    Re: Should we end welfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Define welfare first... because there is a lot of it around.
    I would love to Pete, but in the U.S. today, there are more than 80 federal means-tested welfare programs that provide cash, food, housing, medical care, and social services to low-income residents. Too many to go through each one.

    An October 2012 report by the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service indicates that as of 2011, federal spending on these programs had reached $746 billion per year—more than expenditures for Medicare ($480 billion), Social Security ($725 billion), or the military ($540 billion). In addition, state contributions into federal welfare programs amounted to $201 billion annually, while independent state programs contributed another $9 billion. All told, means-tested welfare spending from federal and state sources (combined) was $956 billion.

    Divide that by the entire population of the U.S., and you get nearly 10,000 dollars per person

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    Re: Should we end welfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    Wut. Seriously. What the heck are you talking about?

    These inner city people are "unproductive" members of society, because society has failed them at every single twist in their life. Have you ever BEEN to an inner city school, Peter? These are underfunded bare-bone holding tanks. Even kids with a drive towards "personality responsibility" go into these drugged up, gun-filled, poverty-stricken holes in the ground and then are systematically denied every single opportunity that they try pursuing. These students graduate into the world without even the sliver of basic knowledge needed to get a job or even sustain a productive life; and worse off they've learned the lesson that society will never give them the opportunity to succeed, so why the hell should they even try?

    ... and that's just the beginning of the problem. Inner cities are vastly underfunded by local, state and the federal government. They do not get the time of day, nor the single dollar to keep even the most basic services running. That's hospitals, roads, fire and police protection, community parks and recreation programs, and on and on and on. Our governments take one look at the "lower property value" areas of their communities and laugh at the idea of giving poor people the hundreds of millions that are actually needed to fix them.

    So, no. Absolutely no. You're gung-ho "let's learn about personal responsibility" bull****, means that millions of desperate people who DO NOT have the education, who DO NOT have the life-stabilizing capital, who DO NOT even have a starting point, will be suddenly starved of the money that's keeping them alive. You know what happens when that **** hits the fan? Crime. Riots. Civil disobedience. Every social ill that we've reduced to historically low levels in 2015, being immediately shot through the roof and plunking off the moon as it heads for the stars. And all of that, all of that ridiculous dysfunction, crashing right down onto poor Peter Grimm's head ... because neither you nor your family lives in a castle surrounded by a crocodile-filled moat to keep the poor people away, do ya?

    Hell to the no.
    Society has failed them, or have they failed society?

    You say inner city schools are underfunded, but actually the department of education statistics show that inner city schools receive more funding than anyone else. Likewise, we spend more tax dollars propping up inner city neighborhoods than anywhere else.


    At some point, you have to take responsibility for yourself. These girls having babies at 15, that has nothing to do with dollars spent. The boys who would rather hang out by 7-11 than go to class has nothing to do with dollars spent.

    As for your argument that these ppl will riot and cause a stir, I'm sure you're right. I'm just not afraid one bit. These inner city poor will cave in at the first sign of strength and opposition, just like they did in Baltimore. They were all talk, until the police force was heightened and then these people quit and went home.

    Quitting and taking the easy road is what these people do, that's why they're poor to begin with. So I'm not worried one bit about riots.

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    Re: Should we end welfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Because the problem of homelessness and poverty are on a scale magnitudes larger than such voluntary organizations are equipped to handle. There is nowhere near enough spare change to bring the poor up.
    Why not have govt funded soup kitchens and homeless shelters and goodwill giveaways in place of just sending out welfare checks?

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