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Should we end welfare?

Should we get rid of welfare?

  • Yes. Nothing wrong with soup kitchens

    Votes: 19 44.2%
  • No. Freebies are great

    Votes: 24 55.8%

  • Total voters
    43
I'm for ending welfare completely only because I think it would force America to actually deal with issues it hides via welfare.

That said, ending welfare would massively "Finish Off" Rural Poor White America just as it would Inner City Poor Black/Hispanic America.


The US would become a much more dangerous place and crime would essentially hit South American levels. What nobody really likes to talk about is Welfare is, much like abortion, "Basic Societal Crime Prevention 101". Without Welfare you remove a large, unemployable (for all sorts of reasons) segment of the population from even basic economic participation in society. Welfare is paying someone to not steal. Nobody likes to go into that truth because it's ugly. Yet you remove welfare and crime goes up. All welfare has ever been in any society is a plug to stop the unemployable from robbing the employed. Take that plug away and the inevitable will occur.

I disagree that most people on welfare are unemployable, I just think collecting welfare is easier than working. And are crime rates really lower now compared to before welfare? Look at Detroit.
 
It's absolutely amazing how many liberals tend to not support welfare as much as many conservatives do.
 
I disagree that most people on welfare are unemployable, I just think collecting welfare is easier than working. And are crime rates really lower now compared to before welfare? Look at Detroit.

Yeah, Detroit's bad. Crime, on a national level, is down.
 
Crime has gone up on almost every level since 1960, esp. violent crime even though the Great Society was implemented.

Crime in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From your link:

Crime in the United States has been recorded since colonization. Crime rates have varied over time, with a sharp rise after 1963, reaching a broad peak between the 1970s and early 1990s. Since then, crime has declined significantly in the United States,[1] and current crime rates are approximately the same as those of the 1960s.

Crime is up from Depression-era levels because of increased urbanization.
 
From your link:

Crime in the United States has been recorded since colonization. Crime rates have varied over time, with a sharp rise after 1963, reaching a broad peak between the 1970s and early 1990s. Since then, crime has declined significantly in the United States,[1] and current crime rates are approximately the same as those of the 1960s.

Crime is up from Depression-era levels because of increased urbanization.

Crime shouldn't be up though, it should be down as a result of our massive welfare state. And you reference my link by proving my point, that crime skyrocketed regardless of the Great Society when it should've gone down. It eventually came down, but apparently not because of welfare.
 
From your link:

Crime in the United States has been recorded since colonization. Crime rates have varied over time, with a sharp rise after 1963, reaching a broad peak between the 1970s and early 1990s. Since then, crime has declined significantly in the United States,[1] and current crime rates are approximately the same as those of the 1960s.

Crime is up from Depression-era levels because of increased urbanization.

Of course it all depends on what you categorize as "crime". Crime statistics, like most statistics, only say so much.
 
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