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    Re: Should we end welfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Ah, deflection and a rant. You know exactly what I am talking about. Anyone that does not or says that they cannont work based on a medical condition.
    And there are millions of them. I know a few.
    Well enough to go boating, riding ATVs, hunting, jeeping etc etc etc. Yet, backs and such are too screwed up to hold any meaningful job.
    I wasn't deflecting or ranting. A million of them...you want medically diagnosed so government can decide to pay or not. How do you think claims are made...without any medical diagnosis?

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    Re: Should we end welfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    It is a cheaper way of constructing a net to catch people before they drop out of society. It needs no bureaucracy and is too small to let people stay on dole.
    I see this idea touted-around a lot lately, and it is interesting with a fair amount of merit, but it still becomes a form of means-tested benefit IMO, and I have problems with any form of means testing as a way to segregate sub-groups of fellow Americans.

    I agree with all your saying, except my vote would be a pure GMI (Guaranteed Minimum Income). Just like a single-payer health system, everyone receives equal benefit.

    (I would keep the benefit very low)
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    Re: Should we end welfare?

    radcen's Plan:

    - Execute all criminal prisoners.

    - Fill prisons with "teat suckers".

    - Make "teat suckers" earn their own way in prison.

    - Once "teat suckers" are no longer productive, execute them, too.

    Wow. Sounds like a conservative/libertarian paradise.
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    Re: Should we end welfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Sounds wonderful. And I completely agree. How do we do that?
    With the Negative Income Perfectly Progressive Tax
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    Re: Should we end welfare?

    Treat those on welfare like students. Give them money to better themselves but tack it to a high interest rate and make them pay it back when they are done with welfare/time allowed on it.

    If it's good enough for broke students trying to advance themselves it should be good enough for those not in school and would ensure when they get out or run out of welfare time that they'll seek jobs to pay back their non-bankruptcy erasable debt that can dip into their tax returns and have severe legal consequences for being delinquent on.
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    Re: Should we end welfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Throwing money at things is not always...usually not IMO...a solution.
    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Only because they're not throwing money at me.
    Exactly!

    Throwing money at things is NEVER a good solution.

    But throwing money at ME is a great solution, and is to be ENCOURAGED.

    (and this is why allowing MONIED individuals & entities to use THEIR money to TELL Congress Critters how to throw OUR money around is a VERY BAD idea!)
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    Re: Should we end welfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Treat those on welfare like students. Give them money to better themselves but tack it to a high interest rate and make them pay it back when they are done with welfare/time allowed on it.

    If it's good enough for broke students trying to advance themselves it should be good enough for those not in school and would ensure when they get out or run out of welfare time that they'll seek jobs to pay back their non-bankruptcy erasable debt that can dip into their tax returns and have severe legal consequences for being delinquent on.
    But re: interest....how do you get $$ from a stone? If they never earn, they never pay back.
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    Re: Should we end welfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    I see this idea touted-around a lot lately, and it is interesting with a fair amount of merit, but it still becomes a form of means-tested benefit IMO, and I have problems with any form of means testing as a way to segregate sub-groups of fellow Americans.

    I agree with all your saying, except my vote would be a pure GMI (Guaranteed Minimum Income). Just like a single-payer health system, everyone receives equal benefit.

    (I would keep the benefit very low)
    No. No means testing.

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    Re: Should we end welfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    I wasn't deflecting or ranting. A million of them...you want medically diagnosed so government can decide to pay or not. How do you think claims are made...without any medical diagnosis?
    Lots of doctors sign off on all kinds of crap that people take to the SSI office.

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    Re: Should we end welfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    I see this idea touted-around a lot lately, and it is interesting with a fair amount of merit, but it still becomes a form of means-tested benefit IMO, and I have problems with any form of means testing as a way to segregate sub-groups of fellow Americans.

    I agree with all your saying, except my vote would be a pure GMI (Guaranteed Minimum Income). Just like a single-payer health system, everyone receives equal benefit.

    (I would keep the benefit very low)
    If people can 'live' on that and continue to have kids and get that expanded to cover the kids...where is there any incentive to work?

    All some people require is a couch, a TV, the Internet (pretty cheap), and food. Medical is already taken care of. :-\
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