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    Re: Should we end welfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Uhmmmmm....let's see now. Medical professionals per visit can cost anywhere from about 150.00 to 550.00 depending on what kind of medical provider. So how will this work? Who's paying for these medical screening requirements? What are they to look for? Can they assess a person without doing any diagnostic tests?

    And given the number of medical professionals per the number of those who would be seen by medical professionals...how many years will pass before all of those folks will be screened?

    But given that those who receive any money because of medical reasons - well, eligibility is already based on medical professional diagnosis and treatment plans.

    I'm still wondering about what population your talking about. Any random person is receives anything from the government? Or for specific medical reasons via SSI? Who are you talking about?
    Ah, deflection and a rant. You know exactly what I am talking about. Anyone that does not or says that they cannont work based on a medical condition.
    And there are millions of them. I know a few.
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    Re: Should we end welfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    If it means keeping people and businesses honest and unable to receive free handouts at the expense of everyone then sure.

    It'd be scary if GM went under but the market does indeed (and I know this will sound cliche) have built in mechanisms in order to ensure that what goes down must come up. No one should be entitled to economic handouts. Ever.
    So you are fine with most of the country losing their health insurance, wow.

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    Re: Should we end welfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    We have a cultural problem in America, particularly inner city, with people living on public money and not being productive members of society.

    Part of the problem is that underclass inner city women begin having babies at age 15. They continue to have babies, with different men, until they have had five or six. These women do not go to school. They do not work. They are not ashamed to live on public money. They plan their entire lives around the expectation that they will always get free money and never have to work.

    The inner city men who are part of the problem also do not work. They get social security disability payments for a mental defect or for a vague and invisible physical ailment. They do not pay for anything: not for housing (Grandma lives on welfare and he lives with her), not for food (Grandma and the baby-momma share with him), and not for child support.

    I once asked a 19 year old with no job and no schooling from the inner city, "What do you do all day?”

    “You know, just chill.” These men live in a culture with no expectations, no demands, and no shame.

    Should we change that? Should we get rid of the handouts and end welfare?

    Nothing wrong with the old soup kitchen. I don't believe in letting people starve, but let's get rid of food stamps, welfare payments, and other bs government giveaways.

    Let's make these people learn personal responsibility


    There are people such as you describe, but they are not the majority of those receiving some sort of gov't aid.

    You'd be harming a lot of good folk with the bad.


    We need reform and efficiency, but not to throw out he baby with the bath water.

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    Re: Should we end welfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    you make valid points

    but....when "we" suggest those kids be allowed to go to charter schools to get out from under that issue....that idea is shot down faster than the ending of welfare

    so we have a never ending cycle.....and it is NOT betting better, no matter how much money is thrown at it

    so....give me solutions.....real, valid solutions

    i am listening
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    Re: Should we end welfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    If lots of net taxpayers were to move, NY would have to be less generous to the public teat suckers
    NYC is a global port and destination with many viable industries (arts, TV, movie, cuisine, universities, etc) and attractions found no where else in the world. It generates plenty of taxes, domestic and international. The number of rich that live there, $$-wise, probably come close to the $$ of the poor.
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    Re: Should we end welfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    The single most important thing to do continuously is to strive for the re-building of human dignity .. Most poor have this not , IMO ..
    I note that we have misanthropes here (haters of their fellow man) .. at least , that is the impression I receive from the Turtle and others ..
    These people can emote a lot but contribute nothing of value .
    Love is necessary .
    Very nice.

    But kindness without consideration kills. You can love your kids all day long but if you dont discipline them and constructively guide their development....they only end up harming themselves or others, or both.
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    Re: Should we end welfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    There are ways to structure social safety nets that mitigate or minimize the damage that you are describing. Get rid of welfare? No, but reform it, sharply, to at least stop punishing good decisions and rewarding bad ones.
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    Re: Should we end welfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    YES, it is ... I think this exposes the hate, the misanthropes ..
    The liberals, the progressives must take charge here and come up with solutions ...
    Throwing money at things is not always...usually not IMO...a solution.
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    Re: Should we end welfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    There are ways to structure social safety nets that mitigate or minimize the damage that you are describing. Get rid of welfare? No, but reform it, sharply, to at least stop punishing good decisions and rewarding bad ones.
    Sounds wonderful. And I completely agree. How do we do that?
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    Re: Should we end welfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Throwing money at things is not always...usually not IMO...a solution.
    Only because they're not throwing money at me.
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