Thread: Should we end welfare?

Originally Posted by Peter Grimm

We have a cultural problem in America, particularly inner city, with people living on public money and not being productive members of society.

Part of the problem is that underclass inner city women begin having babies at age 15. They continue to have babies, with different men, until they have had five or six. These women do not go to school. They do not work. They are not ashamed to live on public money. They plan their entire lives around the expectation that they will always get free money and never have to work.

The inner city men who are part of the problem also do not work. They get social security disability payments for a mental defect or for a vague and invisible physical ailment. They do not pay for anything: not for housing (Grandma lives on welfare and he lives with her), not for food (Grandma and the baby-momma share with him), and not for child support.

I once asked a 19 year old with no job and no schooling from the inner city, "What do you do all day?”

“You know, just chill.” These men live in a culture with no expectations, no demands, and no shame.

Should we change that? Should we get rid of the handouts and end welfare?

Nothing wrong with the old soup kitchen. I don't believe in letting people starve, but let's get rid of food stamps, welfare payments, and other bs government giveaways.

Let's make these people learn personal responsibility

There are people such as you describe, but they are not the majority of those receiving some sort of gov't aid.

You'd be harming a lot of good folk with the bad.


We need reform and efficiency, but not to throw out he baby with the bath water.

Originally Posted by gdgyva

you make valid points

but....when "we" suggest those kids be allowed to go to charter schools to get out from under that issue....that idea is shot down faster than the ending of welfare

so we have a never ending cycle.....and it is NOT betting better, no matter how much money is thrown at it

so....give me solutions.....real, valid solutions

i am listening

Charter schools don't make things better. We've tried that.

Originally Posted by TurtleDude

If lots of net taxpayers were to move, NY would have to be less generous to the public teat suckers

NYC is a global port and destination with many viable industries (arts, TV, movie, cuisine, universities, etc) and attractions found no where else in the world. It generates plenty of taxes, domestic and international. The number of rich that live there, $$-wise, probably come close to the $$ of the poor.

Originally Posted by earthworm

The single most important thing to do continuously is to strive for the re-building of human dignity .. Most poor have this not , IMO ..
I note that we have misanthropes here (haters of their fellow man) .. at least , that is the impression I receive from the Turtle and others ..
These people can emote a lot but contribute nothing of value .
Love is necessary .

Very nice.

But kindness without consideration kills. You can love your kids all day long but if you dont discipline them and constructively guide their development....they only end up harming themselves or others, or both.

Originally Posted by cpwill

There are ways to structure social safety nets that mitigate or minimize the damage that you are describing. Get rid of welfare? No, but reform it, sharply, to at least stop punishing good decisions and rewarding bad ones.

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Originally Posted by earthworm

YES, it is ... I think this exposes the hate, the misanthropes ..
The liberals, the progressives must take charge here and come up with solutions ...

Throwing money at things is not always...usually not IMO...a solution.

Originally Posted by cpwill

There are ways to structure social safety nets that mitigate or minimize the damage that you are describing. Get rid of welfare? No, but reform it, sharply, to at least stop punishing good decisions and rewarding bad ones.

Sounds wonderful. And I completely agree. How do we do that?

Originally Posted by Lursa

Throwing money at things is not always...usually not IMO...a solution.

Only because they're not throwing money at me.