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    Re: Should SSM couples be permitted to adopt children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    I would have voted "other" in the poll, had that option been present.

    Same-sex couples should be permitted to adopt .. but, they must conform to the same state-by-state regulations as any other couple.

    Thus, if a state says the couple must be married, then either the state must change their statute to additionally say "or homarried" (or whatever word that state has employed to differentiate marriage (meaning "a man and a woman as husband and wife") from what obviously isn't "marriage" (like a man and a man or a woman and a woman or a non-romantic domestic partnership, or whatever)) or the couple must conform to existing state statutes or not adopt.

    Regardless, however, a same-sex couple should be discouraged from adopting.

    This is because that parental gender role modeling significantly teaches a child subliminally how to behave in a romantic relationship as an adult and the great majority of the time a same-sex couple will damage a child thusly.

    In a marriage, the man and the woman as parents model how a man and a woman would behave in a romantic relationship, so if their children are either a boy or a girl, and if their children are straight (it is a roughly 94+ percent likelihood statistically that a child is straight, not homosexual, transsexual, or "bi"-sexual), then the children receive the proper and positive gender-appropriate role modeling.

    But in a homarriage, two men as parents present negative and damaging gender romantic role modeling gender-wise alone to a straight child and especially to a female straight child, and two women as parents present a negative and damaging gender romantic role modeling gender-wise alone to a straight child and especially to a male straight child.

    Two men in a same-sex romantic relationship are frequently physically rough with each other in a way that a man and a woman simply aren't, and thus a straight female child raised by these men would likely internalize that roughness as a "desirable" trait in her relationship .. and end up in a relationship with an abusive man where she could get severely injured or killed.

    Both married and homarried couples are equally apt percentage-wise to bring a similar degree of dysfunction into their relationship which will harm their kids, so this is a wash comparing either type of couple.

    But a homarried (same-sex) couple introduces an additional significant dysfunction inculcation into their children as I've just presented, which occurs the overwhelming vast majority of the time (the rare exception being a gay boy raised by two men partners and a lesbian girl raised by two women patners).

    The severity of the damage done to such children cannot be rightly and intelligently overlooked and dismissed.

    Though we know that homosexuality is an epigentic anomaly inculcated in a prenatal human during gestation, we as yet don't have a definitive lab test to determine if an infant, toddler, or young child is straight or gay or trans or the so-called "bi". If we did have such a test, we could direct gay boys to be adopted by male same-sex partners and lesbian girls to be adopted by female same-sex partners, as either of these adopted by either the opposite gender same-sex partners or a straight couple would be significantly harmed gender role-modeling-wise.

    Arguably, going without a parent in foster care is worse than the harmful gender role modeling I've presented here .. and I do stress the word "arguably".

    But there are many opposite-sex couples seeking to adopt .. and I would advise that until all qualifying opposite-sex couples adoptions have been satisfied, that qualifying same-sex couples be placed at the end of the line, for understandably good reasons I've presented here.

    I'm not saying that same-sex couples not be permitted to adopt.

    I'm simply saying that we need to be sensitive to the very real needs of the children being adopted first.

    It's simply stupid to be compelled into doing known harm to children merely because one has been sucked into a victim mentality acting-out state regarding the current issues projected onto same-sex couples.
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    Re: Should SSM couples be permitted to adopt children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    A child needs both a mother and a father. To intentionally deprive a child of this is indefensible.
    A child doesn't care what genitals their parents have.
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    Re: Should SSM couples be permitted to adopt children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    A child needs both a mother and a father. To intentionally deprive a child of this is indefensible.
    So you honestly think it's better that children remain completely parentless in orphanages than to be raised by homosexuals? That's some really, really hateful **** man. I can not believe you call yourself a christian.

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    Re: Should SSM couples be permitted to adopt children?

    Whose "permission" do they need?
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    Re: Should SSM couples be permitted to adopt children?

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    There is no reason to hold same sex marriages to a different standard than traditional marriages, in any regard including adopting children. Again, this entire thing is about equality not special conditions.

    We all agree there are plenty of terrible parents out there, but there is no real reason to look at sexual orientation as the method of assigning a positive or negative association with being a capable, loving, supportive, and strong parent.

    The fact that this is even a question tells us we have much work to do in this regard.



    I agree with what you say, but must add, that the fact that this is even a question shows how far we have come as a society in a very few years.

    I can't say exactly when the tide seemed to turn. Early 90's? Even in college in the 70's, the general response to the Gay lifestyle by the general public was one of revulsion at the most extreme and exclusion at the least extreme.
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    Re: Should SSM couples be permitted to adopt children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    I would have voted "other" in the poll, had that option been present.

    Same-sex couples should be permitted to adopt .. but, they must conform to the same state-by-state regulations as any other couple.

    Thus, if a state says the couple must be married, then either the state must change their statute to additionally say "or homarried" (or whatever word that state has employed to differentiate marriage (meaning "a man and a woman as husband and wife") from what obviously isn't "marriage" (like a man and a man or a woman and a woman or a non-romantic domestic partnership, or whatever)) or the couple must conform to existing state statutes or not adopt.

    Regardless, however, a same-sex couple should be discouraged from adopting.

    This is because that parental gender role modeling significantly teaches a child subliminally how to behave in a romantic relationship as an adult and the great majority of the time a same-sex couple will damage a child thusly.

    In a marriage, the man and the woman as parents model how a man and a woman would behave in a romantic relationship, so if their children are either a boy or a girl, and if their children are straight (it is a roughly 94+ percent likelihood statistically that a child is straight, not homosexual, transsexual, or "bi"-sexual), then the children receive the proper and positive gender-appropriate role modeling.

    But in a homarriage, two men as parents present negative and damaging gender romantic role modeling gender-wise alone to a straight child and especially to a female straight child, and two women as parents present a negative and damaging gender romantic role modeling gender-wise alone to a straight child and especially to a male straight child.

    Two men in a same-sex romantic relationship are frequently physically rough with each other in a way that a man and a woman simply aren't, and thus a straight female child raised by these men would likely internalize that roughness as a "desirable" trait in her relationship .. and end up in a relationship with an abusive man where she could get severely injured or killed.

    Both married and homarried couples are equally apt percentage-wise to bring a similar degree of dysfunction into their relationship which will harm their kids, so this is a wash comparing either type of couple.

    But a homarried (same-sex) couple introduces an additional significant dysfunction inculcation into their children as I've just presented, which occurs the overwhelming vast majority of the time (the rare exception being a gay boy raised by two men partners and a lesbian girl raised by two women patners).

    The severity of the damage done to such children cannot be rightly and intelligently overlooked and dismissed.

    Though we know that homosexuality is an epigentic anomaly inculcated in a prenatal human during gestation, we as yet don't have a definitive lab test to determine if an infant, toddler, or young child is straight or gay or trans or the so-called "bi". If we did have such a test, we could direct gay boys to be adopted by male same-sex partners and lesbian girls to be adopted by female same-sex partners, as either of these adopted by either the opposite gender same-sex partners or a straight couple would be significantly harmed gender role-modeling-wise.

    Arguably, going without a parent in foster care is worse than the harmful gender role modeling I've presented here .. and I do stress the word "arguably".

    But there are many opposite-sex couples seeking to adopt .. and I would advise that until all qualifying opposite-sex couples adoptions have been satisfied, that qualifying same-sex couples be placed at the end of the line, for understandably good reasons I've presented here.

    I'm not saying that same-sex couples not be permitted to adopt.

    I'm simply saying that we need to be sensitive to the very real needs of the children being adopted first.

    It's simply stupid to be compelled into doing known harm to children merely because one has been sucked into a victim mentality acting-out state regarding the current issues projected onto same-sex couples.



    These are interesting patterns of behavior that you are describing.

    How do you know that these described patterns of behavior are accurate and pervasive in the couples to which you attribute them?
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    Re: Should SSM couples be permitted to adopt children?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    So that gives them the right to screw up some kids life?
    Have you ever seen parents and their children interact and witnessed the parenting skills of the hetero folks herding their kids through the world? Like everyone, by the time they know what their doing, their done. Not an indictment of any particular group. It's a tough job and the opportunity to screw it up is ongoing.

    Absent the display of parenting skills of hetero couples, evidence of the failure of hetero parenting competence is presented all around us in every place, everyday in the capabilities and incapabilities of those that were raised by heteros.

    What gives them the right to screw up some kid's life?

    However, we must be mindful that if the couple is comprised of two women, then Mother's Day is made much more challenging.
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    Re: Should SSM couples be permitted to adopt children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    A child needs both a mother and a father. To intentionally deprive a child of this is indefensible.


    The thread is about adaption.

    The child has already been deprived "of this".
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    Re: Should SSM couples be permitted to adopt children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    A child needs both a mother and a father. To intentionally deprive a child of this is indefensible.
    Since you can't prove this contention, it is nothing but ignorant opinion. Ignorance of all the evidence that shows that children really do not "need" both a mother and a father.
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    Re: Should SSM couples be permitted to adopt children?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    So you honestly think it's better that children remain completely parentless in orphanages than to be raised by homosexuals? That's some really, really hateful **** man. I can not believe you call yourself a christian.
    Almost always those who are the quickest to call themselves "Christian" know the least about what it is to actually be one.
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