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    Re: Would you patronize a business that discriminated against LGBT people?

    Quick comment here folks...

    I see a lot of people going on and on about not caring about a businesses "political/social views on issues".

    That's not really a question here.

    If a business is actively discriminating against hiring or selling to a particular group of people, that is not a "political/social view"...that is a BUSINESS PRACTICE.

    I doubt anyone here would suggest that the business practices of a business don't impact your decision as to whether or not you shop there. NOW, what may be accurate is that business practices that don't negative affect YOU may not hold much sway with you, but it's still a business practice that's being talked about.

    Not boycotting based on the political views of the businesses owners would mean not caring whether or not the owner, personally, gives money or support to political entities. That's different than actually implimenting a business policy.

    That, to me, would be the difference between Chick-Fil-A's philanthropic arm giving money to groups that fight gay rights, and Chick-Fil-A actually banning gay customers from their store. The first is a political view held by the company's leadership, the latter is an actual business practice.
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    Re: Would you patronize a business that discriminated against LGBT people?

    Quote Originally Posted by wist43 View Post
    1.) WOW - do you not get the irony of that!!!
    2.)Who is THEY??? They is the government... it is you who is saying the government should "come and get" the business owner b/c he is simply exercising his right to conduct his private business as he sees fit.
    3.) Just as the homosexual has every right to operate a business and refuse to do business with a christian if he/she doesn't want - each person is free.
    4.) Where people lose their freedom, is when government gets involved and uses force -
    5.) it is you, and the LGBT groups that are seeking to use the power of government against others. You are the ones giving the power to THEY.
    6.)It amazes me that Americans can't see these things - America is supposed to be about freedom first and foremost; and, ... the essence of freedom is the limitation of government.
    1.) there is no irony when using facts and reality
    2.) there is no such right nor is that the topic
    3.) again there is no such right if we are talking illegal discrimination
    4.) there is no force
    5.) no the constitutions gives the power in this case, in reality any subjective fantasy you make up are meaningless to the topic
    6.) and freedom is EXACTLY what equal rights is about freedom and rights . . . it is amazing then you can't see that
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    Re: Would you patronize a business that discriminated against LGBT people?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post

    3.) again there is no such right if we are talking illegal discrimination
    How does the FedGov have the authority to make it illegal??

    You can make it illegal on the state level, but even then it is wrong.

    4.) there is no force
    Of course there is force, lol... the government FORCING the private business owner to engage in commerce with people he does not want to. His rights are being violated by the government.

    The LGBT people may in fact be discriminated against by the business owner, but then again he owns a PRIVATE BUSINESS, in a free society it is his business to run as he sees fit.

    In an authoritarian society - which is what you, and all leftists advocate, his "private business" is not his to run as he sees fit, rather it is under the control of the government. That is fascism.

    4.) no the constitutions gives the power in this case, in reality any subjective fantasy you make up are meaningless to the topic
    Only thru tortured and twisted interpretations of the Constitution can such a power be granted to the FedGov. Again, if you want to pass such a law on the state level, that is entirely proper - just as Indiana's law is entirely proper.

    6.) and freedom is EXACTLY what equal rights is about freedom and rights . . . it is amazing then you can't see that
    "Freedom" is the limitation of government. "Equal rights" is not a concept conceived in liberty, it is a concept conceived in authoritarian forms of government, most notably communism. In this case fascism.

    It is obvious you are lacking a proper Americanist education - as are almost all Amerikans. It has been the proverbial slow boiling of the frog - over 100 years in the making. Time was when Americans clearly understood the principles of freedom; now, most Amerikans are like you - sadly.

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    Re: Would you patronize a business that discriminated against LGBT people?

    Quote Originally Posted by wist43 View Post
    How does the FedGov have the authority to make it illegal??

    You can make it illegal on the state level, but even then it is wrong.



    Of course there is force, lol... the government FORCING the private business owner to engage in commerce with people he does not want to. His rights are being violated by the government.

    The LGBT people may in fact be discriminated against by the business owner, but then again he owns a PRIVATE BUSINESS, in a free society it is his business to run as he sees fit.

    In an authoritarian society - which is what you, and all leftists advocate, his "private business" is not his to run as he sees fit, rather it is under the control of the government. That is fascism.



    Only thru tortured and twisted interpretations of the Constitution can such a power be granted to the FedGov. Again, if you want to pass such a law on the state level, that is entirely proper - just as Indiana's law is entirely proper.



    "Freedom" is the limitation of government. "Equal rights" is not a concept conceived in liberty, it is a concept conceived in authoritarian forms of government, most notably communism. In this case fascism.

    It is obvious you are lacking a proper Americanist education - as are almost all Amerikans. It has been the proverbial slow boiling of the frog - over 100 years in the making. Time was when Americans clearly understood the principles of freedom; now, most Amerikans are like you - sadly.
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    Re: Would you patronize a business that discriminated against LGBT people?

    Quote Originally Posted by akrunner88 View Post
    Lol I'll expand my view point a little too. I believe that when you live in a nation, you are to "render unto Caesar" or in other words, conduct yourself in a manner that is dictated by those who dictate the rules. This includes businesses.

    If im an individual and I decide to operate in commerce, that is my free will. No one is telling me I have to open up a business. If the law of the land dictates that your business, apartment complex, etc can't refuse commerce to someone based on a set of guidelines, then you must follow those guidelines. Again, you are not being forced to operate a business. You operate one of your own free will.
    you are using a legal argument, but the OP clearly stated this "If it were legal, and they made it known, would you?"

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    Re: Would you patronize a business that discriminated against LGBT people?

    So, I look at this as something like the issue where the state wanted to attach a rider on a bill that would allow discrimination in businesses so long as those businesses identified themselves as in when they would discriminate. So, therefore if you saw a business with a sign in their window that said "we do not provide services for same sex weddings due to our religious beliefs", or "we do not book parties for children who have same sex parents", would you patronize that business even if such signs wouldn't affect you personally at all. And my answer is absolutely not. That is something I would know about, and could absolutely control whether I did business with them. I also wouldn't do business with any of those places that I know in the past few years have refused some service or said they would to same sex couples/homosexuals, that they would treat them differently than opposite sex couples or heterosexuals in some aspect of their business.

    Now, all that being said, there might be some businesses that I patronize that are discriminating without me knowing or they are some business that I simply do not have an alternative to (which is why I support antidiscrimination laws) without some serious financial impact or it would cause some other issues. I would try to find an alternative as soon as I could if it were due to not having one that I could see that was viable at that time. Unfortunately, there are times when we do have to do things that we might not want to do. Luckily, this is not likely to happen on such a huge scale that I am concerned about, just looking at the possibility.
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    Re: Would you patronize a business that discriminated against LGBT people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Blacks and women should have done the same thing too, right? Not fight for their civil rights? (And yeah, both were discriminated against for religious and moral reasons...sadly, several Scriptures were mal-interpreted as 'proof' that blacks were inferior.)

    Or....you still dont respect blacks or women either because they did fight for their civil rights?
    Where the hell are you coming up with this stuff? Chick Filet did not and does not discriminate against any group, LGBT or anyone. The CEO merely expressed his own personal opinion.....which has absolutely nothing with Chick Filet business practices.

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    Re: Would you patronize a business that discriminated against LGBT people?

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Where the hell are you coming up with this stuff? Chick Filet did not and does not discriminate against any group, LGBT or anyone. The CEO merely expressed his own personal opinion.....which has absolutely nothing with Chick Filet business practices.
    I was commenting on the bold, not Chic fillet. And my comment was re: your opinion, not the CF CEO's.

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    That's the key. If the LGBT lobby wants respect, they should respect those who do not agree with them for religious or moral reasons. Chick Filet did nothing wrong. The CEO was only expressing his own views. The LGBT attempted to act as "thought police" and it backfired on them.
    It was about not respecting people that had to fight for their civil rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Blacks and women should have done the same thing too, right? Not fight for their civil rights? (And yeah, both were discriminated against for religious and moral reasons...sadly, several Scriptures were mal-interpreted as 'proof' that blacks were inferior.)

    Or....you still dont respect blacks or women either because they did fight for their civil rights?
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    Re: Would you patronize a business that discriminated against LGBT people?

    Quote Originally Posted by wist43 View Post
    1.)How does the FedGov have the authority to make it illegal??
    2.)You can make it illegal on the state level, but even then it is wrong.
    3.)Of course there is force, lol... the government FORCING the private business owner to engage in commerce with people he does not want to. His rights are being violated by the government.
    4.)The LGBT people may in fact be discriminated against by the business owner, but then again he owns a PRIVATE BUSINESS, in a free society it is his business to run as he sees fit.
    5.) In an authoritarian society - which is what you, and all leftists advocate, his "private business" is not his to run as he sees fit, rather it is under the control of the government. That is fascism.
    6.)Only thru tortured and twisted interpretations of the Constitution can such a power be granted to the FedGov. Again, if you want to pass such a law on the state level, that is entirely proper - just as Indiana's law is entirely proper.
    7.)"Freedom" is the limitation of government. "Equal rights" is not a concept conceived in liberty, it is a concept conceived in authoritarian forms of government, most notably communism. In this case fascism.
    8.)It is obvious you are lacking a proper Americanist education - as are almost all Amerikans. It has been the proverbial slow boiling of the frog - over 100 years in the making. Time was when Americans clearly understood the principles of freedom; now, most Amerikans are like you - sadly.
    1.) if you are already this lost I dont know if i can help you. maybe the refer to the many many court cases that refer to laws, rights and the constitution, start there and lets us know>
    2.) says who? your opinions. many courts cases, laws and the constitution disagree with you
    3.) so they forced him to open up a shop a specifically serve somebody, wow can you post a link showing where that happened
    4.) again there is no such right, you cant run it as you see fit LMAO
    5.) more fantasy, sorry what you want is anarchy . . . no thanks I like freedom and rights
    6.) who brought up Indiana???? and anyway you mean all the court cases and many many many judges that just simply used the Constitution and precedence? LOL
    7.) more subjective opinions that you cant back up with any "facts"
    8.) oh so all the judges and court cases and precedence and the constitution is wrong but YOU are right?
    well when you get a change simply post the facts that support your failed and proven wrong claims, we would love to read them. thanks!
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    Re: Would you patronize a business that discriminated against LGBT people?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) if you are already this lost I dont know if i can help you. maybe the refer to the many many court cases that refer to laws, rights and the constitution, start there and lets us know>
    2.) says who? your opinions. many courts cases, laws and the constitution disagree with you
    3.) so they forced him to open up a shop a specifically serve somebody, wow can you post a link showing where that happened
    4.) again there is no such right, you cant run it as you see fit LMAO
    5.) more fantasy, sorry what you want is anarchy . . . no thanks I like freedom and rights
    6.) who brought up Indiana???? and anyway you mean all the court cases and many many many judges that just simply used the Constitution and precedence? LOL
    7.) more subjective opinions that you cant back up with any "facts"
    8.) oh so all the judges and court cases and precedence and the constitution is wrong but YOU are right?
    well when you get a change simply post the facts that support your failed and proven wrong claims, we would love to read them. thanks!
    To be sure the courts have been butchering and expanding the meaning of the Constitution for decades - to now where it means pretty much nothing in terms of constraining the power of the FedGov.

    To leftists this is, of course, a wonderful thing b/c in your view the government should be unchained to do "good" things for those less fortunate, to make life "fair", etc...

    That is a bill of goods though. It is the Establishment that has been packing the court since FDR, and the agenda of the Establishment has nothing whatsoever to do with altruism or helping anyone. Their agenda is one of power - power over the people. Since they control the government, and the government is increasingly gaining power and control over the people, it only makes sense that they would back any scheme are strategy that speeds them along that path.

    Just as in most authoritarian societies, the lowest on the socioeconomic scale are the easiest targets to ensnare, indoctrinate, and put out in front of the fight. Here in the U.S., any cause will do - racism, sexual minorities, illegal immigrants, women... anyone who is ignorant and/or dishonest enough to think their advancement trumps the rights of others.

    Those of you arguing that the FedGov has the authority to force private citizens to engage in commerce against their will, purchase financial instruments against their will, tell the how much they can make, who they have to hire, who they can't fire, etc... you are arguing in favor of authoritarian rule. Just b/c you rationalize that that rule is being directed at the behest of the majority of citizens does not make it any less authoritarian, anti-American, and anti-liberty.

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