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    Re: Has the US Worsened the Spread of Radical Islam?

    The Middle East lacks many elements that make it possible to create diversified economies. That includes rain, minerals, forests, financial sectors, etc. Their main reliance is oil.

    You could say Israel is the exception, but they receive lots of aid which has allowed them the opportunity to create different economic sectors. Egypt is another country with the wealth to invest in their own country to create a class of people that isn't destitute, but has the money to live decent lives.

    That leaves the vast majority of the Middle East (with some exceptions here and there). Powerful poverty, lack of education or the ability to receive it. Throw religion into the mix and you have all the elements to make radicalization a popular idea.

    One of the biggest mistakes the U.S. makes in regards to the Middle East is the idea that our way is the best way. Democracy simply does not work in most of these countries. When we remove the power structures that held places like Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, soon to be Syria together, we create a vast void of instability left to be filled. This is why ISIS thrives.

    Yes, U.S. Foreign policy is a failure in the Middle East. These people have to be ruled with an iron fist, and live in fear. The alternative is what we are seeing now.

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    Re: Has the US Worsened the Spread of Radical Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Simple question: Has the US Worsened the Spread of Radical Islam?
    Definitely gave it some footholds where it had none and a sense of purpose to focus on.
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    Re: Has the US Worsened the Spread of Radical Islam?

    Some people are just obsessed with blaming everything in the world on the US. This is actually very derogatory towards the rest of the world since it assumes the rest of the world has no mind of its own and just responds to the US.

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    Re: Has the US Worsened the Spread of Radical Islam?

    Simple question - simple answer - NO

    It's always easy to blame the victims of crime and violence for the actions of criminals. A young lady raped is at fault for the shortness of her skirt - A bank is responsible for robberies because they charge too much in fees and pay little interest - A successful businessman is responsible for a carjacking because he drives a nice BMW - society is responsible for young black men killing young black men or getting killed themselves because we don't give them enough or enough opportunities - etc., etc.

    Islam is responsible for the radicals within its midsts, period.
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    Re: Has the US Worsened the Spread of Radical Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Simple question: Has the US Worsened the Spread of Radical Islam?
    This has been established repeatedly, but I suppose it does no harm to go over it again.

    WASHINGTON, Sept. 23 — A stark assessment of terrorism trends by American intelligence agencies has found that the American invasion and occupation of Iraq has helped spawn a new generation of Islamic radicalism and that the overall terrorist threat has grown since the Sept. 11 attacks.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/24/wo...anted=all&_r=0

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-i...-terror-worse/

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/2006/09...l-report-says/

    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/12913317/n...re-extremists/

    http://www.brookings.edu/research/ar.../iraqterrorism

    The U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq has increased the number of terrorist groups worldwide and "made the overall terrorism problem worse," a U.S. intelligence official said in a secret study.

    The assessment of the war's impact on terrorism came in a National Intelligence Estimate that represents a consensus view of the 16 disparate spy services inside government, CBS News learned Sunday.
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    Re: Has the US Worsened the Spread of Radical Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Simple question: Has the US Worsened the Spread of Radical Islam?
    Of course. The US corporate has strived for hegemony and manipulated the government into policy changes that serve that agenda. The US has toppled governments all over the world and installed puppet regimes who have violently suppressed their own people and rather than facilitate democratic reforms when a country felt they were necessary, we simply called them communists and trained suppressive military groups who terrorized the population. Thus "GO Home Yankee".

    The Middle East is just a glaring example of that failed policy and WE have to suffer the consequences of it. Saudi Arabia is funding a great deal of today's Muslim terrorists and we sit idly by and watch them do it because of financial ties. So, we continue to suffer for money.
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    Re: Has the US Worsened the Spread of Radical Islam?

    Yes

    Yes, but with a few notes on the sides.

    - The US is not directly but indirectly responsible.
    - Not only the US is responsible for this. Also other nations that have waged war in the middle-east play part in this.
    - Jobs have been done half and not thoroughly.

    I think that the real issue has not been addressed and as long as this is the case their will be many people radicalising. The only way to stop this is to move in big time and stay their for a long period of time. During this time you make sure that you control education and ensure that all people get proper education. This is what was done in Germany and Japan. Was not easy nor quick but it worked. Considering that the Germans are a western nation with a culture very similar to ours it may be surprising how many people were send to Germany by the allies for occupation for a prolonged period of time. It is a little naïve to think now that we can move in with a relatively small force, wreck havoc, and when the goal has been reached to return back home again and think all is going to be ok. That is creating a breathing ground for terrorism in this case. And we should have learned from the past. We had seen this many many times before and not only in the middle east. We should have learned from this and acted with this knowledge in mind.

    So yes we are indirectly responsible for the chaos that is enfolding in the middle east.


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    Re: Has the US Worsened the Spread of Radical Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Simple question: Has the US Worsened the Spread of Radical Islam?
    I don't think so. I think we've just given them an easy target...one they would have gone after no matter what.


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    Re: Has the US Worsened the Spread of Radical Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Simple question: Has the US Worsened the Spread of Radical Islam?
    If it was not the US in the ME, it would have been the Soviets.
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    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: Has the US Worsened the Spread of Radical Islam?

    Yes, partly though high-handed foreign policy, but still more so through our own cultural degeneracy. We have rampant abortion, glorified homosexuality, pornography, indecency and blasphemy (I'm a Catholic Christian, but blasphemy against God or Allah, a term also used by Christian Arabs, is abhorrent). Most Muslim nations do not, and so the decay of our culture makes Muslims look with understandable loathing on our sick secularism. Their methods are too extreme and lacking Christian prohibitions on personal revenge, but nevertheless we have given Muslims some degree of just cause to despise our culture. I'm American and I despise our culture, even though I don't advocate violence.

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