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    Re: Can government use curfews & other restrictions to outlaw peaceful protests?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Except that's all they prohibited. They did not declare no night-time protests. They established a universal curfew. For adults, that is effectively a house arrest of everyone for which everyone is treated as guilty. Nearly 700,000 people punished summarily (if it a citywide curfew), every business that operated 24/7 summarily ordered out of business, any every person with a nightshift job laid off by the government.

    It went beyond ordering a crowd to disperse or prohibiting protesting.

    What if this, instead, was a daytime curfew? No one in the city can go outside during the day? Does that make a difference? To shutdown the entire city and everyone under house arrest during the day, because there are crimes being committed mostly during the daytime?
    The curfew exempted people going back and forth to work, Joko. You look at the curfew as punishment. I, in the other hand, look at it as keeping people safe. Most especially young people.


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    Re: Can government use curfews & other restrictions to outlaw peaceful protests?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Problem is, what's "reasonable"?
    I know it when I hear it.


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    Re: Can government use curfews & other restrictions to outlaw peaceful protests?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
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    Re: Can government use curfews & other restrictions to outlaw peaceful protests?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    OWS protests, including those that went on here in Toronto, were allowed to continue for weeks and over a month before finally dispersed. Camping out and taking control of a significant part of a city is not going to be tolerated forever. And there was a lot of lawlessness within the OWS movement and "camps", including some theft, rapes and assaults.

    OWS is a perfect example to counter the argument made in the OP - the government basically were hands off while the protests were peaceful and coordinated/contained.

    And just as a side note, here in Toronto there was almost a $1million worth of damage done to a park that was occupied during the OWS protests - it was, however, tolerated as part of democracy.


    Here, they used a much different tactic. Fenced it off, and let anyone leave, and no one but medics, cops, and fire inspectors in. No food gets them gone in short order.

    And I suspect since 2010, the VPD have a new, more "traditional" way of handling riots. we gave them room five years ago. Won't happen again despite the ultra left council
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    Re: Can government use curfews & other restrictions to outlaw peaceful protests?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Well, clearly, your solution is for the police to let protests lead to riots and then for the police to attempt to pick off rioters from those simply observing all while the riot is going on. Perhaps you'd like to put your life on the line to stop masked and potentially armed anarchists as they torch and loot randomly and at will.

    The curfew was instituted in an established area of the city to avoid the rioting that took place previous nights. People could visit their neighbours, hang out in their backyards, work if they had a nighttime job to go to, etc. - they just couldn't loiter around a hot spot in the city where rioting had occurred. You'd have to be brain dead and a fool - which the Baltimore Mayor clearly originally was - to think that under the darkness of night elements of those protesting were not going to be violent and destructive. Baltimore isn't the first city to ever experience such "peaceful" protesting at 1, 2, 3 in the morning.

    Not that facts necessarily matter to you, it was the mayor you curse that is who implemented the curfew.

    People in apartments don't have yards.

    The curfew was citywide and NOT just "hot spots," another false fact you assert.

    However, I was incorrect that employees could go to work if they had an ID and letter from their employee. As for businesses, some could remain open but nearly all ordered closed (or rather no customers allowed to get there).

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    Re: Can government use curfews & other restrictions to outlaw peaceful protests?

    As to "motive," protests were specifically mentioned in the curfew law:

    (b) Prohibited Conduct. Except as specifically provided by subparagraphs (i) - (vii) above:

    (i) no person located within the City of Baltimore may be in a public place during the Curfew Period, whether in a vehicle or on foot;

    (ii) no person within the City of Baltimore may engage in a march, parade, assembly or demonstration on a public place, whether during the Curfew Period or during Other Hours unless the event has a previously issued permit;


    This was NOT just for hot spots. It was a citywide, summary house-arrest/confinement lock down of nearly 700,000 people by an edict of the mayor, ie the mayor conservatives are claiming was giving free run to looters and arsonists. In fact, she basically arrested everyone in the entire city.

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    Re: Can government use curfews & other restrictions to outlaw peaceful protests?

    Safety vs human dignity ? We are out of balance here , with far too much emphasis on safety and too little on dignity ..

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    Re: Can government use curfews & other restrictions to outlaw peaceful protests?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They have the guns, they can do so. But I find it suspicious use of government power in general. Particularly "designated protest areas". Like the "Free Speech" zones they have for the Republocrat conventions, usually FAR removed from the convention itself. I don't understand how that's legal.

    For the most part, government must allow peaceful protest and assembly to continue unmolested.
    What they do is arrest the person, but if the person gets a lawyer they drop the charges to avoid the issue. This didn't prevent the arrest, being jailed or the cost of posting bond. This is likely also what will happen to those arrested from breaking the curfew. They will be arrested, charged, booked, mug shot taken (put online forever), and required to pay a non-refundable bond fee. IF the person gets a lawyer the case will ultimately be dropped, though the person also is out attorney fees unless free.

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    Re: Can government use curfews & other restrictions to outlaw peaceful protests?

    It's a fundamental violation of liberty for the government to tell its citizens they can not be out in the public past a certain time.

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    Re: Can government use curfews & other restrictions to outlaw peaceful protests?

    Who was it who said if people pick safety over freedom, they will have neither?

    And I think it was Eisenhower who said the safest place is being in jail (though actually it isn't.)

    In Baltimore, nearly 700,000 people were placed under house arrest on behalf of safety because of looters and arsonists in one area of one neighborhood - in the name of public safety.

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