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Would you patronize a business that discriminated against a race?

Would you patronize a business that discriminated based on race?

  • Nope

    Votes: 70 90.9%

  • Yep

    Votes: 7 9.1%
  • Total voters
    77
I would not. I suspect most peoe would agree with me. Which is why such discrimination should be legal...the market will weed out the racists on its own
 
So, the thread question really is - are you racist?

Because unless you were - why on Earth would you patronize such a place (unless they sold some life-and-death item that was only available through them)?

I certainly would not.
 
Josie said:
If it was legal .....

If a business -- any business -- decided to put a sign in their window saying "No [insert any race here] Allowed", would you still patronize that business?

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In this age where I can get whatever the business has online... No, I would not patronize the business and I would even go so far as to criticize it and advice people, including newcomers and tourists, to avoid it.
 
Peter Grimm said:
I would not. I suspect most peoe would agree with me. Which is why such discrimination should be legal...the market will weed out the racists on its own
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My thoughts exactly.

Capitalism fills in the same gaps that unconstitutional legislation does without infringing upon people's rights.
 
Peter Grimm said:
the market will weed out the racists on its own
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Gimmesometruth said:
Sure it will....that worked out really well in the Jim Crow south.
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Well it kinda did. I mean, you don't see white's only lunch counters anymore, or blacks only water fountains. While I disagree with Peter's idea that racism should be legal, I also believe that things have evolved to get us where we are now, meaning not as racist as we were even 50 years ago. There will always be racism. Always. As long as you separate by race, there will be racism. We just have to do the best we can to make sure that we don't involve ourselves in it, or shop with those who do. :shrug:
 
Peter Grimm said:
That was a different time, though. The country has changed s lot since then
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Not much, right now, you have folks, like yourself, advocating the legality of racial discrimination in public accommodation...just like defenders of Jim Crow.
 
Superfly said:
Well it kinda did. I mean, you don't see white's only lunch counters anymore, or blacks only water fountains. While I disagree with Peter's idea that racism should be legal, I also believe that things have evolved to get us where we are now, meaning not as racist as we were even 50 years ago. There will always be racism. Always. As long as you separate by race, there will be racism. We just have to do the best we can to make sure that we don't involve ourselves in it, or shop with those who do. :shrug:
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Uh, the passage of Civil Rights was not a "market" phenom, it was spurred on by "outside agitators" showing just how barbaric those who advocate for discrimination are, in fact.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Not much, right now, you have folks, like yourself, advocating the legality of racial discrimination in public accommodation...just like defenders of Jim Crow.
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Yeah, I don't like the government being able to tell a business who they can or can't serve, and I think the public has evolved enough over the years to where any business that wanted to discriminate by race would find themselves broke very quickly

I don't think anti discrimination laws are American, and they're not needed anymore
 
Josie said:
If it was legal .....

If a business -- any business -- decided to put a sign in their window saying "No [insert any race here] Allowed", would you still patronize that business?

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Its no longer socially acceptable to discriminate based on race, but there is widespread support for discrimination against Muslims, and in many places, Hispanics and gays. In a few years another unpopular group will becomes the scapegoat de jour. Many businesses will not advertise their discrimination policies, so the general public will not know who is doing it. (and there is no guarantee that they will care) That is why we still need legal protection from discrimination. Support for legalizing discrimination is why I will never support a libertarian candidate for office. Libertarians are pawns of corporate interests, religionists and bigots.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Uh, the passage of Civil Rights was not a "market" phenom, it was spurred on by "outside agitators" showing just how barbaric those who advocate for discrimination are, in fact.
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Duh. I never said it was a "market" phenom. You brought up Jim Crow, and Jim Crow has pretty much devolved and worked it's way out on it's own. I'm not going to say it's gone completely because it's not. But things have a way of working out on their own, by evolution if nothing more. People evolve, they grow up, they get smarter, things change. :shrug:
 
Peter Grimm said:
I would not. I suspect most peoe would agree with me. Which is why such discrimination should be legal...the market will weed out the racists on its own
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Chick-a-FillA got more popular due to their bigotry becoming public knowledge and businesses refusing to serve married or engaged gay people raised big bucks on-line from sympathizers. There is no reason to assume that he market will weed out bigots.
 
Superfly said:
Duh. I never said it was a "market" phenom. You brought up Jim Crow, and Jim Crow has pretty much devolved and worked it's way out on it's own. I'm not going to say it's gone completely because it's not. But things have a way of working out on their own, by evolution if nothing more. People evolve, they grow up, they get smarter, things change. :shrug:
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Things didn't just change on their own as people got smarter. Thousands of people put their time, money and their lives on the line to fight racial discrimination and many were jailed, beaten and murdered. Who knows if this forum represents the sentiments of the public in the USA, but about a third of the participants in this forum are bigots.
 
Peter Grimm said:
Yeah, I don't like the government being able to tell a business who they can or can't serve, and I think the public has evolved enough over the years to where any business that wanted to discriminate by race would find themselves broke very quickly
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Um, because of legal penalty, not from pure market standpoint.

The point still is, your "market" solution was not the cause of the ending of Jim Crow, in fact, the economic policies of the South produced slavery, and that ideology caused Jim Crow, the ideology can rear it's ugly head anytime someone spouts off with "I don't like govt (other people) telling me I cannot discriminate against niggers, faggots or anybody else I hate".
 
Hard Truth said:
Things didn't just change on their own as people got smarter. Thousands of people put their time, money and their lives on the line to fight racial discrimination and many were jailed, beaten and murdered. Who knows if this forum represents the sentiments of the public in the USA, but about a third of the participants in this forum are bigots.
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Yeah, I know -- I know all about the Civil rights movement, but do you honestly believe that, had all those in the fight not fought and died for civil rights, we'd still be where we were beforehand?

I'd like to think not. I'd like to think that we've evolved, and that in 2015, we wouldn't have white's only lunch counters.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Um, because of legal penalty, not from pure market standpoint.

The point still is, your "market" solution was not the cause of the ending of Jim Crow, in fact, the economic policies of the South produced slavery, and that ideology caused Jim Crow, the ideology can rear it's ugly head anytime someone spouts off with "I don't like govt (other people) telling me I cannot discriminate against niggers, faggots or anybody else I hate".
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It wasn't the free market that caused Jim Crow laws, but a government that felt compelled to force businesses to discriminate. The social acceptance of discriminatory practices today is no where near what would be needed for such laws to be accepted today.
 
Superfly said:
Yeah, I know -- I know all about the Civil rights movement, but do you honestly believe that, had all those in the fight not fought and died for civil rights, we'd still be where we were beforehand?

I'd like to think not. I'd like to think that we've evolved, and that in 2015, we wouldn't have white's only lunch counters.
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Or businesses refusing to serve based on other biologic conditions....and having kooks defending those same discriminating business practices. Yeah, you would think that folks would have evolved enough to not even think that it is OK for business owners to discriminate.
 
Henrin said:
It wasn't the free market that caused Jim Crow laws, but a government that felt compelled to force businesses to discriminate.
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Of course....and it was the Dixie govts that came up with slavery....it was forced upon the Plantations!

It is an upside-down libertarian world.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Or businesses refusing to serve based on other biologic conditions....and having kooks defending those same discriminating business practices. Yeah, you would think that folks would have evolved enough to not even think that it is OK for business owners to discriminate.
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I know it still happens. I remember in the late 80s, a local Hardee's (it may be a Carl's Jr to you) ended up shutting down because a cook in the kitchen had HIV. They had a note posted on the door, said that the Dept of Health made them do it. Back then, a lot of misinformation scared a lot of people and made for a lot of bad policy. Anyway, the sign was posted, business fell off and the store ended up shutting down. :shrug:

I don't agree with any kind of discrimination, for any reason. I just hate to think that we haven't evolved to the point that this would still be a problem.
 
Depends on whether or not it sold sex and/or pizza, and the quality of said sex and/or pizza. But most likely, no I wouldn't.

...Unless it said something funny, like No Oompa-Loompas Allowed or No Muggles Allowed. Then I would definitely frequent that place.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Of course....and it was the Dixie govts that came up with slavery....it was forced upon the Plantations!

It is an upside-down libertarian world.
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Yes, Jim Crow laws mandated discrimination. The only way to get back to that point without a great deal of push back is if there was significant support for those laws. There is only a very small number of establishments that would even think of discriminating in such a way today and all of those from what I can tell are small businesses that are never going to become large players in the marketplace.
 
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