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    Re: Would you patronize a business that discriminated against a race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    You didn't answer my question. Is that guy, who stayed the exact same thing I did, also a racist?
    I'm not addressing that - I normally do not watch videos that are posted. They're usually noisy and obnoxious and not worth my time, so I normally don't watch videos. Look through all my posts, and I doubt you'll find me ever linking to a video.

    What I am addressing is the fact that you got caught. You said you didn't advocate for racial discrimination, and gimmesometruth proved that you did. Whatever was or was not in that video in no way, shape, or form gave any justification for you did. It's just like I taught my sons: just because that other guy did it doesn't mean that YOU can do it.
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    Re: Would you patronize a business that discriminated against a race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    If he believes he can as a business owner discriminate against customers based on race, as you advocate business owners should be able to to, then he is a supporter of racial discrimination, like you. Why in the first place a person would want to practice racial discrimination is another thing entirely, but more than likely it is based on racist beliefs (hate).

    The funny thing is that yesterday you said you were finished with this debate, but I guess something got stuck in your craw.
    So a black kid is racist against other blacks?

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    Re: Would you patronize a business that discriminated against a race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    I'm not addressing that - I normally do not watch videos that are posted. They're usually noisy and obnoxious and not worth my time, so I normally don't watch videos. Look through all my posts, and I doubt you'll find me ever linking to a video.

    What I am addressing is the fact that you got caught. You said you didn't advocate for racial discrimination, and gimmesometruth proved that you did. Whatever was or was not in that video in no way, shape, or form gave any justification for you did. It's just like I taught my sons: just because that other guy did it doesn't mean that YOU can do it.
    Lol this thread just keeps on giving.

    I never advocated for racial discrimination, I advocated for the right of businesses to associate with whoever they want, and not be forced to associate with people they don't want. The market will take care of the rest.

    If I advocated for racial discrimination, that would mean that my business didn't serve some race of people, which is false. I'll accept money from anyone, regardless of skin color.

    What you're basically doing is saying that all libertarians are racists, which is, frankly, hilarious.

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    Re: Would you patronize a business that discriminated against a race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Lol this thread just keeps on giving.

    I never advocated for racial discrimination, I advocated for the right of businesses to associate with whoever they want, and not be forced to associate with people they don't want. The market will take care of the rest.

    If I advocated for racial discrimination, that would mean that my business didn't serve some race of people, which is false. I'll accept money from anyone, regardless of skin color.

    What you're basically doing is saying that all libertarians are racists, which is, frankly, hilarious.
    Do you really think you're fooling anyone?

    Guy, I grew up in a town where the only doctor in town had two doors - above one was "white" and above the other was "colored". Oh, they were completely painted over in green paint, and I'm sure that that's what that doctor would have said, that "Hey, I ain't racist - I painted over those signs!"

    But green paint doesn't hide inch-deep chisels in marble too well. And this was in 1984, twenty years after the Civil Rights Act. And the people of that small town, Shaw MS, obeyed what those signs said, all the whites to one side, all the nonwhites to the other.

    You want to believe in the power of the market...but I've seen firsthand (not only in Mississippi but overseas as well) that the market doesn't always work that way. You can tell yourself all day that everything will magically work out in the end...but I've seen otherwise - I've LIVED otherwise...because I and my entire family was among the racists. My career in the Navy helped me to unlearn my racism...but the rest of my family never did. And now they're all buried with the rest of my family line in a small cemetery by a Southern Baptist church in Sunflower County MS, all in an unbroken line all the way back to the 1870's.

    In other words, yeah, I've got deep roots in the area. I know whereof I speak. And having lived it, I know racism when I see and hear it, and I know that the "magic of the marketplace" is all smoke and mirrors, nothing more than entertainment for the rich, the prejudiced, and the ignorant.
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    Re: Would you patronize a business that discriminated against a race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Lol this thread just keeps on giving.

    I never advocated for racial discrimination, I advocated for the right of businesses to associate with whoever they want, and not be forced to associate with people they don't want. The market will take care of the rest.

    If I advocated for racial discrimination, that would mean that my business didn't serve some race of people, which is false. I'll accept money from anyone, regardless of skin color.

    What you're basically doing is saying that all libertarians are racists, which is, frankly, hilarious.
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    Re: Would you patronize a business that discriminated against a race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Do you really think you're fooling anyone?

    Guy, I grew up in a town where the only doctor in town had two doors - above one was "white" and above the other was "colored". Oh, they were completely painted over in green paint, and I'm sure that that's what that doctor would have said, that "Hey, I ain't racist - I painted over those signs!"

    But green paint doesn't hide inch-deep chisels in marble too well. And this was in 1984, twenty years after the Civil Rights Act. And the people of that small town, Shaw MS, obeyed what those signs said, all the whites to one side, all the nonwhites to the other.

    You want to believe in the power of the market...but I've seen firsthand (not only in Mississippi but overseas as well) that the market doesn't always work that way. You can tell yourself all day that everything will magically work out in the end...but I've seen otherwise - I've LIVED otherwise...because I and my entire family was among the racists. My career in the Navy helped me to unlearn my racism...but the rest of my family never did. And now they're all buried with the rest of my family line in a small cemetery by a Southern Baptist church in Sunflower County MS, all in an unbroken line all the way back to the 1870's.

    In other words, yeah, I've got deep roots in the area. I know whereof I speak. And having lived it, I know racism when I see and hear it, and I know that the "magic of the marketplace" is all smoke and mirrors, nothing more than entertainment for the rich, the prejudiced, and the ignorant.
    I want to say this in the nicest way possible, but man, you sound like you're from the old school in a major way. That America you're describing doesn't exist anymore. Us younger generations, myself included, I have friends and family of every race and creed you can imagine. We've grown up without segregation.

    It's not even conceivable to me that a business would refuse to serve someone due to the color of their skin.... such a moronic business would not stay open for long in the modern era.

    Any smart business owner is gonna say who cares about the color of your skin, the only color that matters to me is green. And if they don't, then they won't be in business for long.

    What you're describing is sad, but that's a bygone era that's been dead for a long time. We can't keep living in the past my friend.

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    Re: Would you patronize a business that discriminated against a race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I want to say this in the nicest way possible, but man, you sound like you're from the old school in a major way. That America you're describing doesn't exist anymore. Us younger generations, myself included, I have friends and family of every race and creed you can imagine. We've grown up without segregation.

    It's not even conceivable to me that a business would refuse to serve someone due to the color of their skin.... such a moronic business would not stay open for long in the modern era.

    Any smart business owner is gonna say who cares about the color of your skin, the only color that matters to me is green. And if they don't, then they won't be in business for long.

    What you're describing is sad, but that's a bygone era that's been dead for a long time. We can't keep living in the past my friend.
    Yeah, it DOES exist TODAY. I do so wish I could take you down to the MS Delta, where my home county is 71% black but you will see zero - repeat, ZERO - black/white couples. Why do you think that there was such a problem in Ferguson, MO? It was just last year - 2014, FIFTY YEARS after the Civil Rights Act - that Wilcox County, GA had its first desegregated prom! "Bygone era"? Hardly. It wasn't until 2013 that Mississippi officially ratified the amendment banning slavery. Oh, they finally voted on it and passed it in 1995 - yes, 1995 - but due to a 'clerical error' it was never made official until 2013. You can buy the 'clerical error' line if you want, but those of us who grew up there know better.

    Where I live - near Seattle - no one blinks an eye if you're part of a mixed-race couple, and that's the way it is in almost all blue (and even some red) states...but Down South? You've got a lot to learn, a lot of naivete to overcome. I love the Delta - the land, the food, the weather - but I will never live there again - I could never force my nonwhite family members to live through what I know they would face.
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    Re: Would you patronize a business that discriminated against a race?

    No.

    With the caveat that IF said business was the only one offering a given product or service for a significant distance, I would probably patronize them.

    And seriously consider offering people of the specified race my services as an intermediary, free of charge.
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    Re: Would you patronize a business that discriminated against a race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    So a black kid is racist against other blacks?
    I really didn't bother to analyze his motivations....but blacks can be racists too (shocker!).

    Anything else to turn the debate away from your statements?
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    Re: Would you patronize a business that discriminated against a race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I want to say this in the nicest way possible, but man, you sound like you're from the old school in a major way. That America you're describing doesn't exist anymore. Us younger generations, myself included, I have friends and family of every race and creed you can imagine. We've grown up without segregation.

    It's not even conceivable to me that a business would refuse to serve someone due to the color of their skin.... such a moronic business would not stay open for long in the modern era.

    Any smart business owner is gonna say who cares about the color of your skin, the only color that matters to me is green. And if they don't, then they won't be in business for long.

    What you're describing is sad, but that's a bygone era that's been dead for a long time. We can't keep living in the past my friend.
    The incidence of measles in the US is low, so therefore we don't need to be inoculated, that is "living in the past"......and in fact we should allow folks to catch measles.

    (I understand that the analogy to your call for businesses to practice racial discrimination will be completely lost, but there it is)
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