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    Is SSM a Human Right?

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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    The question should be, "Should two consenting adults be allowed to marry each other if they wish?" Because it's becoming more and more obvious that yes, sexual orientation IS influenced by genes, meaning that YES, LGBT's ARE born that way.
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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    The question should be, "Should two consenting adults be allowed to marry each other if they wish?" Because it's becoming more and more obvious that yes, sexual orientation IS influenced by genes, meaning that YES, LGBT's ARE born that way.
    Tried to keep it simple- If it is a human right, then marriage is accepted and legal
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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Anything the government has to recognize or provide to you is not a right, but a privilege. I believe it's a human right for two consenting adults to have sex, but it's not a right to have the government recognize any relationship or institute marriage (same for straights, in my opinion).
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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Anything the government has to recognize or provide to you is not a right, but a privilege. I believe it's a human right for two consenting adults to have sex, but it's not a right to have the government recognize any relationship or institute marriage (same for straights, in my opinion).
    You have the right to be free from discrimination, how is that a privilege?
    To vote, how is that a privilege?
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    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

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    My view is that Civil Marriage isn't a right because it's dependent on outside factors - you can't get married unless you find another competent adult to consent.


    However, as embodied in the 14th Amendment Equal Treatment under the law is a right. Whether you believe Civil Marriage is a right or a privilege, if the state (i.e. government) chooses to offer such a legal relationship under secular law, to deny equal treatment the government carries the burden of demonstrating a compelling government interest when treating like situated individuals differently.

    In this case it would be law abiding, tax paying, US Citizen, infertile, non-related, consenting, adult couples in a different-sex relationship who are allowed to civilly marry (in all 50 states) while law abiding, tax paying, US Citizen, infertile, non-related, consenting, adult couples in a same-sex relationship are not allowed to civilly marry (in some of those states).



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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    You have the right to be free from discrimination, how is that a privilege?
    You have no such right. What you are doing is blurring the lines between natural rights, what we call civil rights and privileges bestowed by the state. I have the natural right to choose with whom I associate. Therefore, I am free to discriminate (by not associating with those I choose not to) not to be free from discrimination. Think of it in terms of speech. Do you have a right to be free from speech you don't like? Of course not. Same is true with discrimination. If I don't like you, I don't have to associate with you. What we have in the US are laws that ban discrimination, but that doesn't mean it is now a 'right.'

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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    it is a civil right
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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    You have no such right. What you are doing is blurring the lines between natural rights, what we call civil rights and privileges bestowed by the state. I have the natural right to choose with whom I associate. Therefore, I am free to discriminate (by not associating with those I choose not to) not to be free from discrimination. Think of it in terms of speech. Do you have a right to be free from speech you don't like? Of course not. Same is true with discrimination. If I don't like you, I don't have to associate with you. What we have in the US are laws that ban discrimination, but that doesn't mean it is now a 'right.'
    You are free to discriminate, but not in ways that deprive the legal rights of other people.
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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    is marriage a natural right.......no.... marriage in the context of what is going on in the court is a legal right/civil right...........privilege ....under constitutional law.

    a person has a natural right to be with another person by them both creating their own contract.

    a right requires the government only stand back and not hinder a rights exercise, while a privilege requires a government action for the privilege to be exercised.

    in the case of being married by legal definition requires a government action... licensing/ and a third party to perform legal wording over the marriage.

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