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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    I think it should be, but then rights are usually defined as such having been ratified by whichever authority. In that sense, then no, it's not a right (yet). Natural Law's probably moot, since marriage isn't covered by either necessity or emergency. Morality's arguable, of course. I'm not sure 'right' is the correct term to use until it's been legalised.

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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    The 9th Amendment is a legal truism. It does not empower the Supreme Court to just make up rights.
    rights are recognized by the USSC , and they are to be based on natural law since it is a founding principle.

    when people say human right, what does that mean?..does it mean because i am human,...... i must have food water and roof over my head?

    food/ water/ shelter is not a natural rights because they place a cost of burden on another person.....we should rid ourselves of calling our natural rights, ...human rights.


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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    No. If anything it's a civil right, but I doubt it amounts to even that much.

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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    That is irrelevant. Fertility is not a requirement for marriage, so there is no difference in consequences. Human rights and equality are relevant.
    Admittedly the instrument is archaic and should therefore be reworked. But to say that government sponsored marriage is a human right is rather silly. Possibly it would make sense to forbid government control of the way families want to organize for reason of human rights. But that is practically the opposite of the ssm craving crowd's demand, who want government subsidies oe interference.

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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    No type of marriage is a "human right" in my mind. They're entirely societal rights as it's entirely a societal construct.

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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No type of marriage is a "human right" in my mind. They're entirely societal rights as it's entirely a societal construct.
    I support SSM but I agree with this.

    The more important question for me is why SHOULDN'T we sanction SSM? Most of th arguments against it fall on religious grounds, states right's, and a couple silly arguments that make no sense to me. The religious arguments are easy to win in court for the pro-gay lobby. States rights is a good direction for anti-gay marriage advocates, which means pro-SSM have to make a compelling argument as to why the right of gays to marry should trump public opinion in states that ban it. I think so far they have done a good job in this regard, which is why I think SSM will win in June.

    The other arguments don't make any sense to me. Procreation? "What-if's" regarding polygamy, animal marriage, toasters? Definitely not compelling arguments in court.

    So ultimately, the anti-SSM has a good strategy with states rights arguments. I think that's what this will come down to. But I just don't see Kennedy backtracking on all the progress done the last five years. If they are to rule this way, many states will backtrack on their marriage rulings and I can't see him wanting to be responsible for that.

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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Any consensual adult relationaship is a human right...

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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    I don't even know why the government is involved in marriage - why not leave it up to the religions, where it all started?
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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    The question should be, "Should two consenting adults be allowed to marry each other if they wish?" Because it's becoming more and more obvious that yes, sexual orientation IS influenced by genes, meaning that YES, LGBT's ARE born that way.
    OK, somebody has to do this.

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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Is SSM (Same-Sex Marriage) a human right?

    No.

    Recognition by private enterprise and government of the romantic committed domestic partnership civil union between two qualifying adults of the same-sex is a right.

    But, not, obviously, under the term "marriage".

    A new word must be coined.

    I've suggested "homarriage", like woman is to man; can't use the same word to describe both or the key differences are lost.

    So from the valid foundational perspective of words and their meaning, since marriage means "between a man and a woman as husband and wife", the term "marriage" simply cannot apply to a same-sex couple.

    Applying the word "marriage" to a same-sex couple is like letting cat-owners enter their cats in a dog show. Absolutely nonsensically ludicrous!

    As to the genetic nature of homosexuality, more accurately the condition is epigenetic in etiology: http://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-an...post1061800678.

    This has been known for some time now.

    Those who still think homosexuality, any gender preference, is a ''conscious choice" are still in the dark ages.
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