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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Your wrong, and the Constitution says you are wrong in the 9th Amendment: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
    The 9th Amendment is a legal truism. It does not empower the Supreme Court to just make up rights.

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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    I do not believe the government has the right to determine if my sexual preference is acceptable. I do not need the government to approve of who I live my life with or if we decide to part ways. While most people need the governments blessing or control over their life I do not. The governments involvement in marriage is nothing more than way to control people. I still believe government serves the people not controls or dictates who they chose to live their life with.

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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    The 9th Amendment is a legal truism. It does not empower the Supreme Court to just make up rights.
    The 9th amendment (and other parts of the constitution) is why a "compelling governmental interest" must be provided to take away or limit people's equality, rights and/or freedom.

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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    What about from the context of government sanctioned marriage already existing and some people being denied. Being denied equal treatment under the law is a human rights issue.

    Sure, if there were not others already allowed to marry, then it would clearly be a civil right. The fact that it already exists for some muddies the water.
    not the topic of this thread
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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Even though pretty much every government in history sanctioned marriage in some way...

    I think we can therefore take it for granted that marriage is a human right
    read much?
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    I think it depends on how you define marriage, specifically whether you think marriage must be a government recognized institution in order to exists. I don't think government validation of any type is a human right. A social agenda maybe.
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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I think it depends on how you define marriage, specifically whether you think marriage must be a government recognized institution in order to exists. I don't think government validation of any type is a human right. A social agenda maybe.
    The Universal Declaration of Human Rights
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    •(1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
    •(2) Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.
    •(3) The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.
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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Nothing is always a good thing but democracy is always the best method. A diversity of perspectives is the best way to examine a problem and arrive at a robust solution. It takes time, which is not necessarily a bad thing as you claim.

    Are you a fascism apologist?


    ps. SSM is a civil right, though one could claim equality under the law is a human right, as everyone would naturally want to be treated equally under the law (given that non-SSM already exists). So, in a void it's a civil right but given the context of others' already having marriage it could be construed as a human right via equality.
    democracy as a FORM OF government will always fail in the end.

    what is a human right, is it a natural right to you?...because the constitution only speaks of natural rights and privileges..ie. civil rights/legal rights

    since marriage is a civil right it means government is granting it, but if government grants a privilege it must grant them to everyone, meaning equality under the law,...unless the state can show in court its in their interest not to grant the privilege.
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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    I mean it is a legal right created by government unlike human rights
    again that is correct, in america a "privilege" in the constitution is a ...civil /legal right.

    however the constitution of america does not say human rights, ours are natural rights.

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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    again that is correct, in america a "privilege" in the constitution is a ...civil /legal right.

    however the constitution of america does not say human rights, ours are natural rights.
    This is America
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