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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Citation needed. I'm pretty sure the UDHR doesn't define marriage.



    Of course it's a legal contract, but having a legal contract is not really the issue. SSM is not about someone getting access to a legal contract as much as it is about someone getting access to the same treatment under the law. Being treated the same under the law is the bigger issue that causes me to consider that SSM in some way falls under human rights.
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    'Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
    Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.
    The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.'
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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Since traditional marriage and ssm are not comparable sociological instruments with totally different consequences, equity is not an issue.
    That is irrelevant. Fertility is not a requirement for marriage, so there is no difference in consequences. Human rights and equality are relevant.

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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Marriage / civil unions are ultimately contracts of joint property and other such terms.

    I believe freedom of contract is part of our natural human right to liberty.

    That said, it is not mentioned as a right in any part of the U.S. Constitution in any way, so overriding the will of the people of the several states by judicial fiat is absolutely inappropriate.

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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Marriage / civil unions are ultimately contracts of joint property and other such terms.

    I believe freedom of contract is part of our natural human right to liberty.

    That said, it is not mentioned as a right in any part of the U.S. Constitution in any way, so overriding the will of the people of the several states by judicial fiat is absolutely inappropriate.

    Must be enumerated in the Constitution for it to be held by the people?



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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Must be enumerated in the Constitution for it to be held by the people?



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    It must be enumerated in the U.S. Constitution for it to be a constitutional right. If it is not enumerated, then the Supreme Court has no business making a ruling about it.

    The only legitimate way for that to change would be through the amendment process. These days, instead of an amendment process, we have a court that just makes **** up.

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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Nothing is always a good thing but democracy is always the best method. A diversity of perspectives is the best way to examine a problem and arrive at a robust solution. It takes time, which is not necessarily a bad thing as you claim.
    democracy is how we got the SSM bans in the first place remember. Time is indeed a bad thing for the couples who have been screwed for 20+ years since the fed and voters started launching their campaign of hate

    diversity of opinion is ideal, but the uneducated mob should not be the ultimate arbiter of which opinion is to be valued and enforced, especially when it comes to civil rights of minorities.

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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Government sanctioned marriage isn't a human right because government isn't a human right.
    Even though pretty much every government in history sanctioned marriage in some way...

    I think we can therefore take it for granted that marriage is a human right

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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Being able to be with the person you love is a human right. Being able to marry that person, gay or straight, is a civil right, IMO.

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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    It must be enumerated in the U.S. Constitution for it to be a constitutional right. If it is not enumerated, then the Supreme Court has no business making a ruling about it.

    The only legitimate way for that to change would be through the amendment process. These days, instead of an amendment process, we have a court that just makes **** up.

    Your wrong, and the Constitution says you are wrong in the 9th Amendment: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."


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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Since marriage isn't a human right I can't see how SSM is a human right.
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