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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    I think that people have right to be who they are, but we shouldn't have to pay for it.
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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I thought you to be intelligent and am surprised to see you fall for that nonsense. None of that is true.
    At least I'm intelligent enough to understand what the Founders meant.

    There have been plenty of large population groups who never think of certain elements as a right.
    It doesn't matter how anyone "thinks of something". Certain sociological rules are generated naturally in every group (given members of equal power, of course).

    There is no "right" to life in the older Oriental cultures. In fact with Eastern and Oriental cultures a caste system is the natural process.
    Idiocy. As I noted earlier, natural rights can -and are- violated but they always exist as a natural abstract object understood via sociology.

    The caste system was not a natural sociological process, it was a system of tyranny created by those in power in order to violate the rights of others for profit.

    I don't believe you have an understanding of what is sociologically natural. I'll give you a hint: it's not just "whatever happens" as your ridiculous claim above.

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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    One can argue that being treated equally is a natural desire of all people and thereby falls under human rights. You're looking at this in a contextual void. It's not just about government recognition, it's about equality because some can already marry.
    as defined in 'The Universal Declaration of Human Rights' ,marriage occcurs between man and woman and it is a legal contract as we all see.now tell me how it is not a legal right whether it is SSM or traditional marriage
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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    At least I'm intelligent enough to understand what the Founders meant.
    You have yet to demonstrate that here.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It doesn't matter how anyone "thinks of something". Certain sociological rules are generated naturally in every group (given members of equal power, of course).
    Except, no. Reality and history tell a different story. You've got a wonderful Western perspective there.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Idiocy. As I noted earlier, natural rights can -and are- violated but they always exist as a natural abstract object understood via sociology.
    Except in the many societies throughout history where that has not been the case.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The caste system was not a natural sociological process, it was a system of tyranny created by those in power in order to violate the rights of others for profit.
    It certainly is, especially if you buy in to the theory of evolution. You think all the pack are alphas?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I don't believe you have an understanding of what is sociologically natural .
    Ditto and one of us used to write sociology papers for money.

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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    as defined in 'The Universal Declaration of Human Rights' ,marriage occcurs between man and woman
    Citation needed. I'm pretty sure the UDHR doesn't define marriage.

    and it is a legal contract as we all see.now tell me how it is not a legal right whether it is SSM or traditional marriage
    Of course it's a legal contract, but having a legal contract is not really the issue. SSM is not about someone getting access to a legal contract as much as it is about someone getting access to the same treatment under the law. Being treated the same under the law is the bigger issue that causes me to consider that SSM in some way falls under human rights.

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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Ditto and one of us used to write sociology papers for money.
    I'm far more educated (tertiary) regarding sociology than you, so spare me that crap. You believe the Founders were lying or stupid when they spoke of natural rights - that's pathetic idiocy.

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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I'm far more educated (tertiary) regarding sociology than you, so spare me that crap. You believe the Founders were lying or stupid when they spoke of natural rights - that's pathetic idiocy.
    No, what's pathetic idiocy is confusing flowery political speech made to inspire, with actual conditions. Are you telling us now that all of a sudden you believe we are endowed those rights by the Creator? Your story has changed from your past postings.

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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, what's pathetic idiocy is confusing flowery political speech made to inspire, with actual conditions.
    Like I said. You believe the Founders were lying. Pathetic idiocy.

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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Is source-specific multicast a right?

    Ummm...I guess so.


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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    I responded no to the poll.

    I'm supportive of SSM simply because if the government is going to be in the marriage business, they shouldn't be discriminating against the free choice of citizens. I'd prefer they get out of the marriage business entirely.

    That said, it's hard to claim a human right for something that is not a requirement of life. I'd argue food is more a human right, yet the government will never provide everyone with sufficient food to survive and prosper. Water would be another necessity of life. I'd more argue that decent healthcare is more a human right than marriage is. You can have a mate and a family without a government piece of paper.

    The modern day need of some to declare every desire a basic right is just idiotic, in my view.
    A Canadian conservative is one who believes in limited government and that the government should stay out of our wallets and out of our bedrooms.

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