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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    it is a civil right
    that is correct..... and its created by government.

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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Yes, but only because our society has a manipulative and controlling way of dealing with families.

    Legal marriage is in no way necessary to anyone. It didn't even exist in America until about 150 years ago... when the government decided it needed some way to deny black people the right to marry.

    And here we get to the problem.

    Attached to legal marriage are a host of basic things, including the ability to see your own partner, your ability to raise your children, and your ability to assign your own property and rights as you wish.

    Because all of these fundamental things are attached to legal marriage, legal marriage becomes a rights issue.

    However, I find it abominable that we have allowed the government to have this degree of control over our love lives. I believe that legal marriage needs to be either completely abandoned (returning marriage to its social/community roots), or it is needs to have all legal contingencies stripped away from it and be purely a title designation for official purposes. There is no reason other non-contingent legal arrangements cannot be used to decide court cases, as they are in other family relationships, and in common-law married cases (i.e., not married, but living as a family unit for a long time). Alternatively, there is no reason people can't assign their own legal rights as they please.

    The government implemented legal marriage with the sole intention of being able to destroy the families of oppressed people. And it is still doing it to this day. It has no right to exist.
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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    You have no such right. What you are doing is blurring the lines between natural rights, what we call civil rights and privileges bestowed by the state. I have the natural right to choose with whom I associate. Therefore, I am free to discriminate (by not associating with those I choose not to) not to be free from discrimination. Think of it in terms of speech. Do you have a right to be free from speech you don't like? Of course not. Same is true with discrimination. If I don't like you, I don't have to associate with you. What we have in the US are laws that ban discrimination, but that doesn't mean it is now a 'right.'

    In the US the right to vote is not in your constitution?
    In Canada before the Charter there was no explicit right to vote- after the Charter it was guaranteed.
    Section Three of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Section 3 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms is a section that constitutionally guarantees all Canadian citizens the democratic right to vote in a general federal or provincial election and the right to be eligible for membership in the House of Commons or of a provincial legislative assembly.
    Section 3 is one of the provisions in the Charter that cannot be overridden by Parliament or a legislative assembly under Section 33 of the Charter, the notwithstanding clause. Section 3's exemption from Section 33 provides extra legal protection to the right to vote and it may prevent Parliament or the provincial governments from disenfranchising any Canadian citizen for ideological or political purposes, among others. Nevertheless, the right to vote and to run in an election is subject to other reasonable limits prescribed by law under Section 1 of the Charter.
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    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    You have the right to be free from discrimination, how is that a privilege?
    To vote, how is that a privilege?
    free from discrimination?....you have equality under law...meaning government must treat everyone equal.......not a person treat another person equal, because that would be equality BY law.

    voting in constitutional law was placed in the hands of the states, and a person must meet the qualifications the state sets.

    however when a state grants privileges [vote] it must grant them to all the people equally.....but this as not always been so.

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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    My goodness, what a degradation of the meaning 'human rights' must have occurred for that question to be posed in anything approaching seriousness.

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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Equality under the law is a human right, so indirectly, yes.

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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Equality under the law is a human right, so indirectly, yes.
    Since traditional marriage and ssm are not comparable sociological instruments with totally different consequences, equity is not an issue.

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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Equality under the law is a human right, so indirectly, yes.

    what is a human right?

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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    If the govenment sanctions two adults being 'married' with all the benefits it entails, they have no right to determine what the gender of those two people are, in my opinion.


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    Re: Is SSM a Human Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    If the govenment sanctions two adults being 'married' with all the benefits it entails, they have no right to determine what the gender of those two people are, in my opinion.
    well you would think that, however states have tried to make the case that its in their interest not to grant the privilege of marriage to SS, and they use democracy a vote of the people also.......which is why democracy is not always a good thing.

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