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    Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    My current girlfriend dragged me to an AA meeting tonight. To be honest, I've never heard so much BS in my entire life. Alcoholism a disease? *Scoff* In my opinion, it's very simple - don't drink and you won't become a drunken ***h***e. More specifically, ever heard of the "steering wheel" concept? Keep your hands on the wheel and don't turn into those convenience store parking lots. It's that simple.

    Furthermore, these people (cult members - from my perspective) say that if you don't work the 12 steps, you will either die, go to jail or a mental institution. Guess what? I left AA in a huff over 20 years ago and still am alive, happy and free. Furthermore, all my old AA "friends" are either dead (most of them are dead - young or old at the time I knew them), in prison or in mental hospitals. I have News: AA does not work and is nothing more than a cult! And I'm living proof of that, being that I'm still around - if my niece or another family member ever has any problems with alcohol/drugs, the last thing I'm doing is sending them to AA.

    AA - what a waste of time. I spent two or three years going to them stupid meetings, working the steps, serving on committees, sponsoring others - I found AA at 19 and left at 23 in disgust (haven't been back since until tonight).

    I couldn't take it any longer: When it came my turn to share in the meeting, I said just about everything I just posted. You should have seen the looks on their faces.

    AA - A Big thumbs down and screw those people.

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    I'll drink to that...

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    They're a self-supported group. I see relatively little reason for hostility toward them.

    Do you prefer taxpayer-subsidized alcohol treatment, hospital-based detoxification, public safety escorting them to emergency rooms to be medically cleared for transfer to a state-funded jail's drunk tank? There is a vast array of extremely expensive interventions for substance abusers and addicts. If you want to criticize what exists for such people to drop their habit/addiction/disease/whatever-you-want-to-call-it, the Anonymous groups are the last place you want to start.

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightrider View Post
    My current girlfriend dragged me to an AA meeting tonight. To be honest, I've never heard so much BS in my entire life. Alcoholism a disease? *Scoff* In my opinion, it's very simple - don't drink and you won't become a drunken ***h***e. More specifically, ever heard of the "steering wheel" concept? Keep your hands on the wheel and don't turn into those convenience store parking lots. It's that simple.

    Furthermore, these people (cult members - from my perspective) say that if you don't work the 12 steps, you will either die, go to jail or a mental institution. Guess what? I left AA in a huff over 20 years ago and still am alive, happy and free. Furthermore, all my old AA "friends" are either dead (most of them are dead - young or old at the time I knew them), in prison or in mental hospitals. I have News: AA does not work and is nothing more than a cult! And I'm living proof of that, being that I'm still around - if my niece or another family member ever has any problems with alcohol/drugs, the last thing I'm doing is sending them to AA.

    AA - what a waste of time. I spent two or three years going to them stupid meetings, working the steps, serving on committees, sponsoring others - I found AA at 19 and left at 23 in disgust (haven't been back since until tonight).

    I couldn't take it any longer: When it came my turn to share in the meeting, I said just about everything I just posted. You should have seen the looks on their faces.

    AA - A Big thumbs down and screw those people.
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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    I think it obviously works for some people and doesn't for others. If someone has a drinking problem and they want help, they have to find what will work for them and obviously AA works for a lot of people.
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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    They're a self-supported group. I see relatively little reason for hostility toward them.

    Do you prefer taxpayer-subsidized alcohol treatment, hospital-based detoxification, public safety escorting them to emergency rooms to be medically cleared for transfer to a state-funded jail's drunk tank? There is a vast array of extremely expensive interventions for substance abusers and addicts. If you want to criticize what exists for such people to drop their habit/addiction/disease/whatever-you-want-to-call-it, the Anonymous groups are the last place you want to start.
    oh **** you and you're good points.



    I had my own problems once upon a time... AA/NA wasn't worth a damn to me... I had a few negative experiences with the AA folks/programs.
    ( to be fair, my personality was the bigger problem than the AA folks)

    ...but it does work for some, and that's a good thing.

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    They're a self-supported group. I see relatively little reason for hostility toward them.

    Do you prefer taxpayer-subsidized alcohol treatment, hospital-based detoxification, public safety escorting them to emergency rooms to be medically cleared for transfer to a state-funded jail's drunk tank? There is a vast array of extremely expensive interventions for substance abusers and addicts. If you want to criticize what exists for such people to drop their habit/addiction/disease/whatever-you-want-to-call-it, the Anonymous groups are the last place you want to start.
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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I think it obviously works for some people and doesn't for others. If someone has a drinking problem and they want help, they have to find what will work for them and obviously AA works for a lot of people.
    This. AA won't work for every one, but they do help many, and any group that helps people beat addiction is ok in my book.
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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I think it obviously works for some people and doesn't for others. If someone has a drinking problem and they want help, they have to find what will work for them and obviously AA works for a lot of people.
    In general I agree. But AA has become the "go to" group for legal stuff.

    By this I mean - a friend of a friend had drinking problems. Bad. She lost her license to do physical therapy. She sobered up; was sober for a couple years; applied to get her license back. She was told she'd have to attend AA meetings daily for 90 days. (She also was on the hook to call in every day to see if she needed to give a pee test - which in our rural community meant she had to travel at least an hour each way, which would not have made it easy to get a job. There was some other stuff too)

    But seriously? 90 AA meetings in 90 days? what does that prove?

    She ended up just giving up on physical therapy - which she was good at - and looking for other work -which she hasn't found yet.

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    If it helps keep others sober and happy, who are the **** are you to condemn them?
    Most of the "new recruits" are young and court ordered. Typical college age-- reckless mistake-- but brainwashed to believe "they have a disease" that is "lifelong!"

    Talk about job security...

    AA/NA do at least as much harm as they do "good."

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