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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    Odd, AA/NA did wonders for my brother who is nearing his 1 year of sobriety thanks to AA/NA. Congrats on your own sobriety but can you not insult a system that's done a lot more harm than good over the years?
    Congrats to your brother.

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightrider View Post
    My current girlfriend dragged me to an AA meeting tonight. To be honest, I've never heard so much BS in my entire life. Alcoholism a disease? *Scoff* In my opinion, it's very simple - don't drink and you won't become a drunken ***h***e. More specifically, ever heard of the "steering wheel" concept? Keep your hands on the wheel and don't turn into those convenience store parking lots. It's that simple.

    Furthermore, these people (cult members - from my perspective) say that if you don't work the 12 steps, you will either die, go to jail or a mental institution. Guess what? I left AA in a huff over 20 years ago and still am alive, happy and free. Furthermore, all my old AA "friends" are either dead (most of them are dead - young or old at the time I knew them), in prison or in mental hospitals. I have News: AA does not work and is nothing more than a cult! And I'm living proof of that, being that I'm still around - if my niece or another family member ever has any problems with alcohol/drugs, the last thing I'm doing is sending them to AA.

    AA - what a waste of time. I spent two or three years going to them stupid meetings, working the steps, serving on committees, sponsoring others - I found AA at 19 and left at 23 in disgust (haven't been back since until tonight).

    I couldn't take it any longer: When it came my turn to share in the meeting, I said just about everything I just posted. You should have seen the looks on their faces.

    AA - A Big thumbs down and screw those people.
    So I guess you broke up with your girlfriend then. People indeed get physiologically addicted to alcohol the same way people get addicted to nicotine and cocaine. I would suggest that you read up on that first. Secondly, AA is very helpful for people who need the support and camaraderie for not giving in to life's stresses and drinking again.

    Yeah, you need to study up, you're ex-girl friend is miles ahead of you.
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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    So I guess you broke up with your girlfriend then. People indeed get physiologically addicted to alcohol the same way people get addicted to nicotine and cocaine. I would suggest that you read up on that first. Secondly, AA is very helpful for people who need the support and camaraderie for not giving in to life's stresses and drinking again.

    Yeah, you need to study up, you're ex-girl friend is miles ahead of you.
    We did break up. Please see my recent posts, thanks.

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Try reading what I typed again, please.

    I did not 'slam' anyone for taking methadone. I simply stated that they have not fully quit heroin if they are still using methadone.

    And it is a crutch. If the only reason you do not use heroin is because of methadone, then methadone IS a crutch to you.

    That does not mean the crutch is bad...but it IS a crutch. I simply called it what it is.

    Hey, I am glad the 'crutch' exists.

    Btw I have known people that quit heroin without methadone. It can be done. I am not saying it is easy...but it can be done.
    Anything can be done, but I interpret someone saying that something is a "crutch" as being critical. I also said that your post phrased it in a nice way. I'm not offended by what you said, I just think that there's a lot of misinformation on this issue. My main point was that nothing works for addiction, and study after study shows that. Longterm heroin addicts, or worse, longterm addicts whose drug of choice was an opiate with a longer half-life, will go through post acute withdrawal for months or years. Addicts whose drug of choice was alcohol or benzodiazepines can die from withdrawal and/or suffer irreversible damage to their brains. Physical addiction can be super, super serious and anybody can in theory quit anything in any way but most won't.
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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    AA 'works' for a basic reason...it provides a social structure of people typical trying to improve their lives. I don't love the AA model but as a support group it is certainly successful for many.
    You can't blame AA for the defining of alcoholism as a 'disease'. That's the medical model of addiction. People typically become addicted be it to substances or behaviors due to CLS....Crappy Life Syndrome. Identify the pain, heal the pain, create a positive future, and take steps to achieve that future. It's a bit more complicated than that...but not much.

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    This. AA won't work for every one, but they do help many, and any group that helps people beat addiction is ok in my book.
    Except some of these programs just trade one addiction for another.
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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    I have no reason to, I have the least addictive personality of anyone I know. I don't drink, I don't gamble, I don't do drugs,... I'm a control freak, addiction just doesn't fit with that personality trait.
    Same here, I do none of those things and have absolutely no interest.
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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Alcohol addiction is a pathophysiological state... whether or not you like the word "disease," neither is "just stop drinking, morans!" at all helpful for anyone who has an addiction.

    I have seen increased criticism of AA in the past few years. I would say that if it helps some people, great. The ones who it doesn't, well, they can try something else.
    You are right, if it were as easy as just saying "just stop drinking" then there would be no alcohol addicts. It is an addiction that cannot be broken simply by saying that people should stop drinking.
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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Moving your dependency from alcohol to an imaginary friend might improve physical health, I suppose.
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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    It won't work for everyone, perhaps not even most people. And I am sure every chapter is different. I'm not a fan of the whole "higher power" crap but I know of people who it worked for. I'm not going to degrade their success. I DON'T think it should be the go to option for the courts, though, and certainly not mandated by judges.

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