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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    About to hit day 15 and things are in fact getting better, though insomnia continues to be enough of a pest to make me uncomfortable (doctor says it will pass and so does AA - "this too shall pass.").

    Am going to see my home group tomorrow - my sponsor says that the only good reason to miss a meeting at my home group is if I'm dead, so I must go.

    I get up and say "please" to God these days; I say "Thanks, God" when I go to bed.

    Things are going better at work, too - am looking forward to going and doing my job tomorrow.

    I'm an early riser, so morning meetings work best for me.

    Tired tonight (I guess that's a good thing) - about to hit the sheets.

    Not worried about too much these days and I can tell you it feels like an 800 pound gorilla has been lifted off my shoulders.

    Anyways,

    G'Night, DP'ers and thanks for keeping this thread going for so long - guess it turned out to be one of my better (if not my best) "creations," lol.

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luke Skywalker View Post
    About to hit day 15 and things are in fact getting better, though insomnia continues to be enough of a pest to make me uncomfortable (doctor says it will pass and so does AA - "this too shall pass.").

    Am going to see my home group tomorrow - my sponsor says that the only good reason to miss a meeting at my home group is if I'm dead, so I must go.

    I get up and say "please" to God these days; I say "Thanks, God" when I go to bed.

    Things are going better at work, too - am looking forward to going and doing my job tomorrow.

    I'm an early riser, so morning meetings work best for me.

    Tired tonight (I guess that's a good thing) - about to hit the sheets.

    Not worried about too much these days and I can tell you it feels like an 800 pound gorilla has been lifted off my shoulders.

    Anyways,

    G'Night, DP'ers and thanks for keeping this thread going for so long - guess it turned out to be one of my better (if not my best) "creations," lol.
    Insomnia affects alot of people. There are many methods out there to help that do not require drugs.
    Things like:

    --turning off electronic devices and TV way before bedtime
    --White noise (there are lots of free apps for your phone...I like a "Rain" one.)
    --relaxing exercises
    --meditation
    --certain teas
    --melatonin (this never helped me get to sleep but I did wake up more refreshed in the am)
    --I use a heated mattress pad which is awesome but we're coming into the warmer part of the year

    there are other things too if you look online. Good luck.
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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Doppelgangirl View Post
    This view of moderation is outdated.
    Hard to debate that. Not sure what view you're talking about or what part is outdated. There is a lot of disagreement about who, if anyone, needs to completely abstain and who might be a good candidate for trying to better manage their alcohol intake.

    But really I don't want to argue it. I'll just say that I tried moderation for years and it doesn't work, at all, for me. If others can make it work, God bless. I know there is research that indicates many people with alcohol dependence CAN successfully moderate their intake. And that only about 15% of those with diagnosed AUD (alcohol use disorder) are severely dependent. So the view of moderation depends quite a bit on who we're talking about and how bad of a drinking problem they have, etc.

    On the severe end of the scale, there are a lot of dead individuals and people sick in hospitals with failing livers and much more and who will die early deaths because they never could moderate their intake. I've known way too many of them inside and out of AA. So I'm agnostic on the topic, except for myself.

    The founder of Moderation Management, Audrey Kushline, got out of MM, and was pursuing SOBRIETY based on AA when that accident occurred.

    Tell the truth.
    Right, but I have no idea why that matters. She quit MM because 'moderation' didn't work for her, and it failed in a tragic way, with the death of two people, two months after she left MM. If you're saying that MM works fine, but it's AA that failed, sorry but I don't see how you get there. If not I'm not sure what your point is or why the timeline matters.

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    AA has a lower success rate than the "evil" conversion therapy.
    This is perhaps the most ignorant comment I've ever seen at DP... and that's saying something. Conversion therapy has been proven to be completely unsuccessful unless the individual is someone who WANTS to learn how to suppress their homosexual feelings/behaviors. That, isn't really success. Oh, and the vast majority of folks who go through conversion therapy, go back to homosexuality. Check out some of the records of Exodus International for more information.

    AA is victim mentality personified, no one is powerless, God has given people freewill and they drink because they choose to and nothing else.
    This demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of AA and a complete lack of understanding of addiction. You don't understand what powerlessness means in this context. One is powerless over their addiction if they continue to act on their addiction. The power they have is admit that they cannot "use" and to abstain.

    AA only trades the addiction of drinks for the addiction of the program
    Not at all. It trades a serious medical condition for a treatment.
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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Day 15 of sobriety, for me, it is. AA works.

    Won't be posting today - gotta run and it's going to be a very busy day.

    Am starting to "let go and let God (Group Of Drunks)."

    Thanks for reading.

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luke Skywalker View Post
    Day 15 of sobriety, for me, it is. AA works.

    Won't be posting today - gotta run and it's going to be a very busy day.

    Am starting to "let go and let God (Group Of Drunks)."

    Thanks for reading.
    One day at a time. Way to go, and you have a lot of folks pulling for you.
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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Are not LukeSkywalker and the NightRider one and the same ?

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    One day at a time. Way to go, and you have a lot of folks pulling for you.
    Thanks, Owl. Am a little teary eyed after reading your post.

    I'm about to hit 16 days of sobriety in AA, God willing.

    Just got off the phone again with a Maine 24 hour crisis hotline. Call went well and I feel ok - should be able to sleep tonight, in other words.

    Also spoke with my psychiatrist a few minutes ago via phone - he couldn't be happier at how I'm progressing.

    Thanks again, my friend and thanks to everyone else for pulling for me - I LOVE AA and I LOVE DP!!!

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luke Skywalker View Post
    Thanks, Owl. Am a little teary eyed after reading your post.

    I'm about to hit 16 days of sobriety in AA, God willing.

    Just got off the phone again with a Maine 24 hour crisis hotline. Call went well and I feel ok - should be able to sleep tonight, in other words.

    Also spoke with my psychiatrist a few minutes ago via phone - he couldn't be happier at how I'm progressing.

    Thanks again, my friend and thanks to everyone else for pulling for me - I LOVE AA and I LOVE DP!!!
    We all need some approval in our lives or life is a whole bunch tougher. All the approval in the world won't keep you sober--you have to do what you have to do to obtain sobriety--but it won't hurt either and it makes the process maybe a little less lonely. And you made me smile.

    I think the average time for the insomnia problem to work itself out is 30 days or so for most. It will get better. You might try abstaining from caffeine for a couple of hours before trying to sleep and some physical exercise sometimes helps.
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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Day 17 for me sober now in AA, it is. Emotions are starting to come into the picture. Anger for one. But, I don't have to drink over it, that's the difference between then and now. Also, I'm finding out that I don't like everyone (in AA or out) - my ***hole boss is one of those people I don't like. But again, I don't have to drink over it. HIS problem. I know who and what I am (I don't need anyone to tell me) and I'm only in AA to clean up my side of the street. Other peoples' problems belong to them and they own the consequences that may result. I don't take anything personally, in other words - why should I? It has nothing to do with me. There are a lot of pu**ies and idiots out there - even in AA - but the jerks whom talk the talk yet can't walk the walk are NOT the program of AA. They are simply hypocrites and cowards are found everywhere - in AA and out. Part of life and living.

    Feeling pretty good today - going to church today (I've found God), going to a meeting, will help others and talk to other drunks.

    It's going to be a Happy Day for me - I wish everyone whom reads this post a Happy Day.

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