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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    14th day sober, for me, that is.

    I won another copy of the 12 & 12 last night at a meeting - this time, I kept it, because I didn't have it and the group wanted me to have it.

    Going to go read it right now, as I am having a little insomnia and need to read something to help me sleep (my sponsor suggests reading AA literature late at night, if one is tossing and turning) - g'night.

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    Am in the midst of sending friend requests to a "few" folks in this thread - just wanted you guys to know.

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luke Skywalker View Post
    Am in the midst of sending friend requests to a "few" folks in this thread - just wanted you guys to know.
    That's great and feel free to PM me if you ever want advice or to vent about something or whatever. That goes for anybody else reading this thread. There are certain things I don't really talk about, but what I have said in several threads is that I have an auto immune disease which causes chronic pain (I have stories that would freak people out soooo hard). How that relates to a thread about recovery? You can probably draw that conclusion yourself.

    People on both sides of the AA debate love to quarrel about whether or not addiction is a disease. I would tend to believe the 99% of experts who say it is, but I also think it doesn't matter and it's semantics. There's this idea that if you call it a disease it means that you're claiming that you are absolving yourself from responsibility. Well, I have this stupid disease (the auto immune one) and just because it isn't my fault doesn't seem to matter at all. I have a responsibility to myself to treat it the best way I can, because I cannot fully contribute to society if I leave my disease untreated. I'm just saying this because so many people attack AA for accepting that addiction is a disease. It's the same thing. It doesn't matter. You don't need to know where you are to find your way out of the woods. The moar u know
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    The only problem I have with AA is that you need to be a theist to join and use their protocol. That's problematic, especially if the courts are forcing you to partake.
    You don't have to be a theist to join. Not at all. Plenty of atheists are members of AA... including some members who have admitted as such in this very thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You don't have to be a theist to join. Not at all. Plenty of atheists are members of AA...
    including some members who have admitted as such in this very thread.
    Just as with all Military organizations such as the VFW, American Legion, Sons of American Legion which I am in--and all of their female counterparts.
    God is an integral part of all of these organizations and atheists have enough common sense to redirect God to their own beliefs--in silence of course.

    I've been meaning to mention my wife's weight watcher's group.
    So many have been helped with WW and she wouldn't miss her weekly meeting, just like church.

    Yet I'm sure there are naysayers on WW also.
    I see WW as a self-help group where MANY OTHER ISSUES besides weight are discussed as the triggers for bad eating habits .
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    I was never challenged saying the word "Creator" in the public classroom.
    I would always preface it with saying that students could find the word "Creator in the U.S. Constitution.

    Sometimes I might mention "meeting my maker" and whether I had my "scales balanced".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    The only problem I have with AA is that you need to be a theist to join and use their protocol. That's problematic, especially if the courts are forcing you to partake.
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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    No it isnt. AA helps people. Helping people is good. Courts don't force anyone to go to AA. You are given a choice. Just because you don't like the options doesn't mean you don't have a choice. To be in court and being given the choice of AA or jail means you need help.
    AA has a lower success rate than the "evil" conversion therapy.

    AA is victim mentality personified, no one is powerless, God has given people freewill and they drink because they choose to and nothing else.

    AA only trades the addiction of drinks for the addiction of the program

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    AA has a lower success rate than the "evil" conversion therapy.
    LOL. Got any cites for successful gay "conversions?"

    AA is victim mentality personified, no one is powerless, God has given people freewill and they drink because they choose to and nothing else.
    Yeah, you don't have a clue how AA works or about addiction, that much is clear. And if a person in AA stands up and says, "Woe is me, I'm a victim, I have to drink" you'll get exactly zero heads nodding in agreement.

    AA only trades the addiction of drinks for the addiction of the program
    That's not generally true, and to the extent it may be the case for some individuals, it's no different than any religion where people go sometimes two or three times a week, pray over every single meal, for an entire lifetime! Oh, the horror of that??

    Second, even if we accept your (mostly false) premise, that's a fantastic trade for the individual and for that person's family, friends, employer and society as a whole.

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Yes it is. Several states have already ruled that its against the first amendment for the courts to force someone into AA if they're an atheist.

    Help isn't help. If it violates your beliefs then it's not helpful to your psyche or recovery.
    I am not sure that you understand the word force. Noone is forced into AA. AA is given as an option in place of incarceration for people who have violated the law because they have shown they cannot drink responsibly. If you dont like AA, either don't break the law or accept the punishment. And yes, help is help. If alcohol is ruining your life, ruining your family, ect and AA can help, then it is help. This idea that so many of you have that since it has religious undertones to it is clearly bad is asinine. AA isn't telling you to convert to a specific religion or anything else. If you are in AA you have either admitted or proven that you alone cannot control your addiction. Faith is a powerful tool, regardless of what you are putting that faith into. Most people believe in something. Whether that is a God of any variety or some other spiritual support either external or internal.
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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    If it helps keep others sober and happy, who are the **** are you to condemn them?
    I think he's suggesting that it doesn't work, doesn't keep people sober, it just keeps them coming back to AA. Not saying I agree with him, but you seem to have missed his point.

    Here's a funny take on it:

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