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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    That's an important point. There ARE bad meetings and bad groups. At their core they reflect the people regularly attending and human nature being what it is, personalities will clash, and some people will never be comfortable in some groups, and sometimes judgmental, dogmatic jerks attract other jerks and you can create a bad atmosphere. Same as any gathering of humans on the planet.

    I remember one men's group that was pretty good for quite a while, but a handful of 'old timers' sort of assumed the role of AA elders and started regularly offering unwanted and unsolicited and often harsh critiques of how others were managing their sobriety. In most meetings that's severely frowned on and doesn't happen much, because the people offering their "wisdom" TO others, unasked, are politely told to keep their opinions of other attendees to themselves. These guys started doing it every meeting with no pushback from the group.

    Anyway, after personally getting berated for 5 minutes on how badly I was screwing up and was headed for relapse (after about 7 years happily sober), I told the guy in somewhat polite terms to f off, I didn't actually ask for his advice, and never went back. I guess it worked for those guys, but was counterproductive for me, and I wasn't going to change it. But the point is these groups have all kinds of personalities, and making generalizations is just futile.
    In bold. I've seen meetings like this and had clients who had sponsors like this. These are the worst kind of people to be in AA: supposed know-it-alls who believe that they know better of how to run someone's program. When I encounter people like this, I usually, sternly, tell them that they need to clean their own house before the start commenting on the the cleanliness of anothers. Usually shuts them down or gets them to bug off.
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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I know. You are right. You know more about your field than me. You also know more about my field than me. You know CC, this type of horseshit annoys some but it only makes me laugh, hence my response.
    I may not know more about your field than you, but I know enough to know that you're wrong.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    My point is only that a student will learn nothing if they do not care. It doesn't matter what the teacher tries. When that happens there is not a symbiotic relationship. The teacher might learn about an obstinate kid but the student learns nothing.
    I can agree with that, but you are discussing a very specific set of circumstances here.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightrider View Post
    My current girlfriend dragged me to an AA meeting tonight. To be honest, I've never heard so much BS in my entire life. Alcoholism a disease? *Scoff* In my opinion, it's very simple - don't drink and you won't become a drunken ***h***e. More specifically, ever heard of the "steering wheel" concept? Keep your hands on the wheel and don't turn into those convenience store parking lots. It's that simple.

    Furthermore, these people (cult members - from my perspective) say that if you don't work the 12 steps, you will either die, go to jail or a mental institution. Guess what? I left AA in a huff over 20 years ago and still am alive, happy and free. Furthermore, all my old AA "friends" are either dead (most of them are dead - young or old at the time I knew them), in prison or in mental hospitals. I have News: AA does not work and is nothing more than a cult! And I'm living proof of that, being that I'm still around - if my niece or another family member ever has any problems with alcohol/drugs, the last thing I'm doing is sending them to AA.

    AA - what a waste of time. I spent two or three years going to them stupid meetings, working the steps, serving on committees, sponsoring others - I found AA at 19 and left at 23 in disgust (haven't been back since until tonight).

    I couldn't take it any longer: When it came my turn to share in the meeting, I said just about everything I just posted. You should have seen the looks on their faces.

    AA - A Big thumbs down and screw those people.
    Sadly, sir, for you, I see a lifetime of ills and troubles .. Of course, AA is not perfect .. what is ? And maybe it can stand to be improved .. In truth many people have been helped , my sister for one ..

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    In bold. I've seen meetings like this and had clients who had sponsors like this. These are the worst kind of people to be in AA: supposed know-it-alls who believe that they know better of how to run someone's program. When I encounter people like this, I usually, sternly, tell them that they need to clean their own house before the start commenting on the the cleanliness of anothers. Usually shuts them down or gets them to bug off.
    That's typically what happens in most meetings. Whoever speaks next normally cautions against what's called "cross talk" in our area. But this became a group 'trait' if you will and addressing it wasn't a battle I cared to wage - life's short, serenity prayer and all that.

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Sadly, sir, for you, I see a lifetime of ills and troubles .. Of course, AA is not perfect .. what is ? And maybe it can stand to be improved .. In truth many people have been helped , my sister for one ..
    I do hope and pray that you are wrong, I'll say that. Congrats to your sister!

    I have 13 days sober myself in AA right now - taking it one day at a time (sometimes 5 minutes at a time). Have given up drinking and all nicotine products as well.

    Look, I was basically a "dry drunk" when I posted that OP - now, I have a sponsor, am going to meetings every day and have an awesome home group. IF I drink again, you are right. If I remain in AA, you will be proven wrong. I'm betting you are hoping that I remain in AA.

    I intend to, one day at a time.

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    The only problem I have with AA is that you need to be a theist to join and use their protocol. That's problematic, especially if the courts are forcing you to partake.

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    The only problem I have with AA is that you need to be a theist to join and use their protocol. That's problematic, especially if the courts are forcing you to partake.
    No it isnt. AA helps people. Helping people is good. Courts don't force anyone to go to AA. You are given a choice. Just because you don't like the options doesn't mean you don't have a choice. To be in court and being given the choice of AA or jail means you need help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    No it isnt. AA helps people. Helping people is good. Courts don't force anyone to go to AA. You are given a choice. Just because you don't like the options doesn't mean you don't have a choice. To be in court and being given the choice of AA or jail means you need help.
    Yes it is. Several states have already ruled that its against the first amendment for the courts to force someone into AA if they're an atheist.

    Help isn't help. If it violates your beliefs then it's not helpful to your psyche or recovery.

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    No it isnt. AA helps people. Helping people is good. Courts don't force anyone to go to AA. You are given a choice. Just because you don't like the options doesn't mean you don't have a choice. To be in court and being given the choice of AA or jail means you need help.
    If you've read much of the thread, you can see I'm a supporter of AA. But I don't actually agree with courts requiring AA as a condition of parole, or licensing boards requiring AA as a condition of reinstatement, etc. I don't have any problem requiring some form of treatment, but don't believe AA should be the only option.

    The steps done correctly do require people to recognize God, or a higher power. Atheists get around this by recognizing something other than a deity as their higher power and many have been going to meetings for years, but I don't really think it's fair to require a person to do that if they don't believe in God. I'm not sure how it works in other areas, but ours recites the Serenity prayer and many recite the Lord's Prayer as part of the official meeting. I can see someone having a legitimate ethical problem with that if they really didn't believe in any god, and don't believe a court should mandate that as part of any sentence or to avoid any sentence, even though I believe atheists with an open mind can benefit greatly from AA and shouldn't allow the higher power element to deter them from meetings.

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