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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Odd, AA/NA did wonders for my brother who is nearing his 1 year of sobriety thanks to AA/NA. Congrats on your own sobriety but can you not insult a system that's done a lot more harm than good over the years?
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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    If it helps keep others sober and happy, who are the **** are you to condemn them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightrider View Post
    My current girlfriend dragged me to an AA meeting tonight. To be honest, I've never heard so much BS in my entire life. Alcoholism a disease? *Scoff* In my opinion, it's very simple - don't drink and you won't become a drunken ***h***e. More specifically, ever heard of the "steering wheel" concept? Keep your hands on the wheel and don't turn into those convenience store parking lots. It's that simple.

    Furthermore, these people (cult members - from my perspective) say that if you don't work the 12 steps, you will either die, go to jail or a mental institution. Guess what? I left AA in a huff over 20 years ago and still am alive, happy and free. Furthermore, all my old AA "friends" are either dead (most of them are dead - young or old at the time I knew them), in prison or in mental hospitals. I have News: AA does not work and is nothing more than a cult! And I'm living proof of that, being that I'm still around - if my niece or another family member ever has any problems with alcohol/drugs, the last thing I'm doing is sending them to AA.

    AA - what a waste of time. I spent two or three years going to them stupid meetings, working the steps, serving on committees, sponsoring others - I found AA at 19 and left at 23 in disgust (haven't been back since until tonight).

    I couldn't take it any longer: When it came my turn to share in the meeting, I said just about everything I just posted. You should have seen the looks on their faces.

    AA - A Big thumbs down and screw those people.
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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    There is nothing wrong with a self help group, but I feel it has become something of a pseudo religion in the US (or at least that is how their booklet reads and their meetings sound).

    I used to be addicted to gambling. I hit rock bottom before I went to the group. I went together with my mother (was still living at home). I sat in the group of gambling addicts and my mother sat in with the group of family/loved ones of the gambling addicts. Where I was being told about how I could try to stay away from gambling and what I should and should not do (give my bankcard to my mother, give my passport to my mother, give my wallet to my mother). And I was told that I cold ask for a voluntary house ban at the local gambling businesses and how I should do other things to not fall in the trap of boredom and falling back into gambling.

    My mother was on the other side being informed about how she should keep my bank card until I had proven I was able to handle small amounts of money and had shown improvement. She was giving invaluable information from the people who had gone through it before. About the warning sings I would be giving off if I were about to fall off the straight and narrow.

    There was no twelve step program, no religious things, no admitting that we were powerless and should throw ourselves at the mercy of a higher power, etc. etc. etc.

    All we did was talk, support each other and only the leader (or one or two assistant leaders) should be called if a member got into trouble and needed support. For the rest we met up weekly to give each other moral support, etc. etc. etc.

    Not to be too negative about AA, but maybe they should stop with the higher power and apologizing to everybody and put the energy into trying to restructure their lives into a live without ever using alcohol. Maybe even giving away their bank cards in the beginning to make sure they cannot fall back.

    For the rest I cannot fault the wish of AA to help others but they should be a bit less superior about it and stop looking for power from outside themselves and start looking for it from the inside.
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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    It's not for everyone, and I don't like the fact that people get court orders to go to AA meetings, but it does help some people, so it's not all bad.
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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    It's not for everyone, and I don't like the fact that people get court orders to go to AA meetings, but it does help some people, so it's not all bad.
    court ordered AA will never work. It has to be voluntarily and when the real desire and wish is there to stop. Also you cannot stop for other people/a loved one, only for yourself.
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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    My dad was a member but he never attended any of the meetings- he always made my mom do it...

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I think it obviously works for some people and doesn't for others. If someone has a drinking problem and they want help, they have to find what will work for them and obviously AA works for a lot of people.
    AA does work for a lot of people. A former brother-in-law of mine has been very active in AA for 30+ years. It took being gutted and left to die in a bar ditch for him to commit to sobriety. For him, I think this has meant daily meetings for years. AA is how he met his now long-time wife too, and AA is their big thing. It's almost like a pseudo-religion for them. They're very happy and grateful for the purpose in their lives and the opportunity to help others, so I say live and let live.

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    court ordered AA will never work. It has to be voluntarily and when the real desire and wish is there to stop. Also you cannot stop for other people/a loved one, only for yourself.
    The desire for change does have to come from within the individual, but I don't see why court-ordered AA will "never" work. You never know when somebody, maybe even a stranger, is going to say something that sparks one of those "shock of recognition" moments.

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    I have no reason to, I have the least addictive personality of anyone I know. I don't drink, I don't gamble, I don't do drugs,... I'm a control freak, addiction just doesn't fit with that personality trait.
    Maybe a meeting of Controllers Anonymous.

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