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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightrider View Post
    12th day sober for me now - am coming down off the "pink cloud" I was on the first 10 days or so.

    Mom and Dad don't want me going to AA - in fact, they are trying to "sabotage" my sobriety. I basically have to lie to them as to where I'm going with the car these days, just to placate them. Am going to try to steal away later this morning and go to a 7:00am meeting - sponsor wants me out of the house asap, telling me to go to Craigslist and put out an ad and/or look for an apartment. May have to separate from my parents, at least for awhile.

    Will keep you guys posted.
    I have a call into a Maine "crisis" hotline right now and am waiting for a call back.

    My parents are just out of control. Screw Luke Skywalker - I am "Harry Potter" (and it sucks).

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Groups to groups... there are other comparisons that I am sure you will also discount so I wont bother...
    Some groups apply, some don't. Context is key.

    Of course there is a relationship but if you don't understand that a teacher can try to motivate and teach a student that will not learn because they do not want to learn then you really, and literally, have no idea what you are talking about. I trump you so badly that you don't even realize it apparently...
    Perhaps you could restate what you just said. The comment makes no sense to me.

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightrider View Post
    I have a call into a Maine "crisis" hotline right now and am waiting for a call back.

    My parents are just out of control. Screw Luke Skywalker - I am "Harry Potter" (and it sucks).
    Hotline call went well, guys. Person I talked to was an AA member and had some awesome insight on my situation.

    She told me that I'm doing great and to keep doing what I'm doing (going to AA meetings, working the steps with my sponsor, helping others, etc.).

    Think it's going to be a wonderful day.

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No, that's your own opinion and truthfully, it has no value. You don't know me and I have no bias on AA. I've seen it work. I've also seen some pretty poor AA meetings. I will recommend things that I see work. Your opinion is baseless. Also, my salary has does not prevent me from being able to speak on the subject. In fact, my job gives me more credibility to speak on it than you.
    That's an important point. There ARE bad meetings and bad groups. At their core they reflect the people regularly attending and human nature being what it is, personalities will clash, and some people will never be comfortable in some groups, and sometimes judgmental, dogmatic jerks attract other jerks and you can create a bad atmosphere. Same as any gathering of humans on the planet.

    I remember one men's group that was pretty good for quite a while, but a handful of 'old timers' sort of assumed the role of AA elders and started regularly offering unwanted and unsolicited and often harsh critiques of how others were managing their sobriety. In most meetings that's severely frowned on and doesn't happen much, because the people offering their "wisdom" TO others, unasked, are politely told to keep their opinions of other attendees to themselves. These guys started doing it every meeting with no pushback from the group.

    Anyway, after personally getting berated for 5 minutes on how badly I was screwing up and was headed for relapse (after about 7 years happily sober), I told the guy in somewhat polite terms to f off, I didn't actually ask for his advice, and never went back. I guess it worked for those guys, but was counterproductive for me, and I wasn't going to change it. But the point is these groups have all kinds of personalities, and making generalizations is just futile.

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightrider View Post
    Hotline call went well, guys. Person I talked to was an AA member and had some awesome insight on my situation.

    She told me that I'm doing great and to keep doing what I'm doing (going to AA meetings, working the steps with my sponsor, helping others, etc.).

    Think it's going to be a wonderful day.
    That's good news, and I'm sorry to hear about problems with your parents. Don't know much about your personal situation, but I'll just say it took a while for my wife to come around. Lots of bad faith on my part over many years contributed to that. Anyway, she's been amazingly supportive after a bit of Missouri-style "show me" behavior on my part. Good luck!

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Some groups apply, some don't. Context is key.



    Perhaps you could restate what you just said. The comment makes no sense to me.



    Dismissing doesn't change that I'm right.
    My point is only that a student will learn nothing if they do not care. It doesn't matter what the teacher tries. When that happens there is not a symbiotic relationship. The teacher might learn about an obstinate kid but the student learns nothing.

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightrider View Post
    Hotline call went well, guys. Person I talked to was an AA member and had some awesome insight on my situation.

    She told me that I'm doing great and to keep doing what I'm doing (going to AA meetings, working the steps with my sponsor, helping others, etc.).

    Think it's going to be a wonderful day.
    Good to hear. Good luck with it all and stay strong...

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I was required to attend an AA meeting as part of a school assignment in one of my psych courses. I don't agree with all their steps but it does help people. Alcoholism is an addiction, I wouldn't classify it as a disease in the sense that you have no control over it. However, once addicted it's easy for sober people to relapse and it is a significant mental and physical process to quit drinking.

    It might not be the best program, but when I went the people seemed extremely welcoming, helpful, and those attending were getting support with many being sober for many years due to the support they get from AA. If it helps alcoholics quit drinking and turn their lives around I'm all for it.
    "Disease" aspects aside, I think your assessment of AA is accurate and balanced, and you draw pretty much the same conclusions I drew when I briefly attended several meetings two decades ago.

    However, the AA "Big Book" is a treasure to behold if one is considering as to whether they have or are developing an alcohol problem.

    After reading the myriad of stories they will either recognize themselves, or not. And if they do, they can arrest themselves from going further down the path to more severe alcoholism, or if thy're not there yet, they can see the dangers & not go down the path at all.

    I very highly recommend the "Big Book" to anyone that has even the most passing concern with their drinking. It can't hurt. It might help.

    Available at any AA meeting for a suggested (but not required) donation.

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Dismissing doesn't change that I'm right.
    I know. You are right. You know more about your field than me. You also know more about my field than me. You know CC, this type of horseshit annoys some but it only makes me laugh, hence my response.

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Tomorrow will be my 13th day sober - Group Of Drunks willing.

    Great day at work today - went to a meeting after. Won a copy of the 12 & 12 in a raffle - gave it to a young lady who picked up a white chip at that meeting.

    Parents are barking at me right now to get off the computer, so I gotta go (am tired tonight, anyway - bed and Teddy Bear call me. Yes, I still sleep with Teddy Bear.).

    Good night, DP.

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