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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    All good and not every case is the same but in my experience the strength is already within the individual. The group, like a teacher, can't do anything without the student.
    No, not every case is the same.

    And I'm clearly aware of my role in my own sobriety...but what is disturbing to me is that you (and some others) find the utility of AA to be a personal weakness because you (and others) see it as a cult. And you believe that I (and tens of thousands of others ) have surely been sucker-punched by a religious cult. Right?

    Sorry, that's not how it happened. Nor is how it worked(s) for me. And I can tell you that there are many, many agnostics and atheists in AA who have greatly benefited from the "principles" within the program. In fact there is an Atheist AA group in Austin.

    Years ago I tried to find an Atheist AA group that I became aware of via a notice posted in the coffee room of a regular AA group. But when I went to the address shown on the card, it was among several small office spaces, which were being remodeled. There was no sign saying where they were temporarily holding meetings.

    I ask some people in a regular group (which is where I saw a card about the Atheist group) if anyone knew where the group had moved to. The reply was, "Don't know, we heard God killed'em all". HA ****ING HA! It was funny to them, but not so funny to me.

    It's a big ass - diverse world, Bod. Things aren't always as they appear to be. And as always..all is good.

    Thanks...

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    No, not every case is the same.

    And I'm clearly aware of my role in my own sobriety...but what is disturbing to me is that you (and some others) find the utility of AA to be a personal weakness because you (and others) see it as a cult. And you believe that I (and tens of thousands of others ) have surely been sucker-punched by a religious cult. Right?

    Sorry, that's not how it happened. Nor is how it worked(s) for me. And I can tell you that there are many, many agnostics and atheists in AA who have greatly benefited from the "principles" within the program. In fact there is an Atheist AA group in Austin.

    Years ago I tried to find an Atheist AA group that I became aware of via a notice posted in the coffee room of a regular AA group. But when I went to the address shown on the card, it was among several small office spaces, which were being remodeled. There was no sign saying where they were temporarily holding meetings.

    I ask some people in a regular group (which is where I saw a card about the Atheist group) if anyone knew where the group had moved to. The reply was, "Don't know, we heard God killed'em all". HA ****ING HA! It was funny to them, but not so funny to me.

    It's a big ass - diverse world, Bod. Things aren't always as they appear to be. And as always..all is good.

    Thanks...
    I am a black and white guy generally when I talk. I say what I mean and I mean what I say... don't read into it like you apparently have.

    I said nothing of a personal weakness or that AA doesn't help.

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    You know, guys, when I said what I said in my OP to that AA group last week - that took guts (so I was told).

    I went back the next day (gasp) to the same meeting place - they said that took more guts. For a split second I thought they were going to kill me. Then, they laughed and we all shared hugs. You see, that's what AA is like - very forgiving, understanding and supportive. On the one hand, I was wrong to start this thread and I apologize deeply for that. However, after reading through the thread - there have been some awesome replies here and insight. If nothing else, starting this thread got people thinking (including myself). One AA individual in this thread (whom I won't mention) is now my best friend on this forum. He is the one whom convinced me to go back to that meeting. AND I'm glad I did, for AA is saving my life, one day at a time. So, thanks DP - for if I had never found this forum, I would have never started this thread and would never have met said friend and would never have gone back to AA. It can be argued that DP saved my life (can you believe that, LOL).

    So thanks to all whom have responded - even if I don't always agree with everyone, I always learn something. THAT's what's important.

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I am a black and white guy generally when I talk. I say what I mean and I mean what I say... don't read into it like you apparently have.

    I said nothing of a personal weakness or that AA doesn't help.
    The following 2 quotes are yours, Bod...

    The crutch is "needing" a group in the first place.
    Did I misunderstand the the above? Can you imagine what I've drawn from that post?

    It is a religion. There are those that need that cult brotherhood in order to find strength......... because they are weak. Much the same as religion helps people "be kind to others" when that ability is already within them.
    And what about this post ^^^^^^^^^^ Am I not catching the meaning?

    You're only about the thousandth person - who believes as you do - who has said everything that you've pretty said to me and others in this thread. Groovy. That's how you perceive AA. I'm sure you have more reasons that you've probably stated for believing such.

    BUT EVEN STILL BOD...all is good my friend. It's a big ass world and it is diverse. You have your very own special diversities about you, too. But its okay.

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightrider View Post
    You know, guys, when I said what I said in my OP to that AA group last week - that took guts (so I was told).

    I went back the next day (gasp) to the same meeting place - they said that took more guts. For a split second I thought they were going to kill me. Then, they laughed and we all shared hugs. You see, that's what AA is like - very forgiving, understanding and supportive. On the one hand, I was wrong to start this thread and I apologize deeply for that. However, after reading through the thread - there have been some awesome replies here and insight. If nothing else, starting this thread got people thinking (including myself). One AA individual in this thread (whom I won't mention) is now my best friend on this forum. He is the one whom convinced me to go back to that meeting. AND I'm glad I did, for AA is saving my life, one day at a time. So, thanks DP - for if I had never found this forum, I would have never started this thread and would never have met said friend and would never have gone back to AA. It can be argued that DP saved my life (can you believe that, LOL).

    So thanks to all whom have responded - even if I don't always agree with everyone, I always learn something. THAT's what's important.
    Now, I absolutely HATE to reference my own threads. However, if you guys want more of an explanation as to where I am now, what's been going on with me and how I arrived here, please check out my thread in the self help/advice forum. That basically 'splains it all. Thanks.

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    The following 2 quotes are yours, Bod...



    Did I misunderstand the the above? Can you imagine what I've drawn from that post?



    And what about this post ^^^^^^^^^^ Am I not catching the meaning?

    You're only about the thousandth person - who believes as you do - who has said everything that you've pretty said to me and others in this thread. Groovy. That's how you perceive AA. I'm sure you have more reasons that you've probably stated for believing such.

    BUT EVEN STILL BOD...all is good my friend. It's a big ass world and it is diverse. You have your very own special diversities about you, too. But its okay.
    The first is about need, yes. Need is not bad.

    Even the second is not bad. Yes, I admit I said weak but I did not mean it negatively really... just that they can't find that strength in themselves WHEN IT IS.

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    The first is about need, yes. Need is not bad.

    Even the second is not bad. Yes, I admit I said weak but I did not mean it negatively really... just that they can't find that strength in themselves WHEN IT IS.
    Just pull yourself up by the old bootstraps, huh? What a simple world you must have experienced. I'm envious. And your opinions are noted. Thanks.

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Thanks, AA, for all you are doing for me.

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Just pull yourself up by the old bootstraps, huh? What a simple world you must have experienced. I'm envious. And your opinions are noted. Thanks.
    Maybe... maybe not. I do know that people have more strength than they give themselves credit for in general.

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    Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

    Aw, hell with it.

    I LOVE AA!!!!



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