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    Re: Can Senator Sanders win the democratic nomination for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Lessee now. The USA has saved from bankruptcy the auto industry, the banking industry, the steel
    industry, the home-building industry, and etc. That running up massive amounts of unsustainable
    debt sounds pretty familiar and pretty current ever since ol' GWBush nearly bankrupted the Nation.
    How is it you blame this crap on Bernie? He could not be worse economically compared to the morons
    we have suffered.
    The GM bail out cost the Tax payers Billions and you have NO idea whether or not GM would have survived a Bankruptcy or not. The Home building industry ? Are you kidding ?

    Government intervention into the free market via Clinton's " Fair lending task force " and his 1995 Home-ownership policy led to the largest credit bubble in History. It bankrupted our GSEs and corrupted Capital Markets all over the world with toxic MBS.

    Debt under George Bush spiked because Fannie and Freddie pushed Trillions of dollars of worthless " AAA " securities out into the Markets as part of their Government " affordable lending " initiative and the government forced banks to lower their lending standards under the threat of DOJ prosecution. Even Bush's debt is a fraction of what Obama has left this Country with.

    You have no idea what your'e talking about if you think Bush " nearly bankrupted the Nation ". From his FY 2002 Budget...

    The Administration’s FY02 budget declares that the size of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is “a potential problem,” because “financial trouble of a large GSE could cause strong repercussions in financial markets, affecting Federally insured entities and economic activity.”


    So Bush wasn't an idiot, his replacement is the idiot and anyone who seriously considers Bernie Sanders as a candidate isn't much smarter than Obama.
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    Re: Can Senator Sanders win the democratic nomination for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Lessee now. The USA has saved from bankruptcy the auto industry, the banking industry, the steel
    industry, the home-building industry, and etc. That running up massive amounts of unsustainable
    debt sounds pretty familiar and pretty current ever since ol' GWBush nearly bankrupted the Nation.
    How is it you blame this crap on Bernie? He could not be worse economically compared to the morons
    we have suffered.
    Yep lessee now. Under Bush he raised the National debt by 5.8 trillion in 8 yrs. nearly bankrupted the Nation as you claim. Now under Obama who has raised the national debt by 8 trillion in 6 yrs is by far worse. How would you describe Obama bankrupting the Nation. I would say he is the most unpatriotic president in US History.

    Here is Obama in his own words.

    Flashback: Obama Talks "Unpatriotic" Debt In 2008 | RealClearPolitics
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    Re: Can Senator Sanders win the democratic nomination for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    what do you think? Does Sanders have a chance?
    I'm taking the question at face value. *Can* he win the nomination? Yes, I think he *can*. Primarily because I don't believe the anointing of Hillary is the done deal many others seem to think it is, and sometimes strange things happen in politics.

    Do I think he'll be nominated? No.
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    Re: Can Senator Sanders win the democratic nomination for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    what do you think? Does Sanders have a chance?
    About the same chance as Ted Cruz...

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    Re: Can Senator Sanders win the democratic nomination for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Yep lessee now. Under Bush he raised the National debt by 5.8 trillion in 8 yrs. nearly bankrupted the Nation as you claim. Now under Obama who has raised the national debt by 8 trillion in 6 yrs is by far worse. How would you describe Obama bankrupting the Nation. I would say he is the most unpatriotic president in US History.

    Here is Obama in his own words.

    Flashback: Obama Talks "Unpatriotic" Debt In 2008 | RealClearPolitics


    Exactly what did Obama do raise the national debt? Please be specific

    Hint: There is an economic infrastructure consisting of tax policy and expenditures, both discretionary and non-discretionary that dictate the year over year economic outcomes for our treasury. Presidents can advocate policies that effect those outcomes, but those policies have to be enacted by Congress. A President, by himself, can't do much to effect the outcomes. So, please tell us what Obama did that would substantiate your implication that he raised the debt....
    Last edited by upsideguy; 05-01-15 at 08:23 PM.

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    Re: Can Senator Sanders win the democratic nomination for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    About the same chance as Ted Cruz...
    Vegas odds has Cruz at 33/1... Sanders at 100/1

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    Re: Can Senator Sanders win the democratic nomination for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    Vegas odds has Cruz at 33/1... Sanders at 100/1
    OK.... BIG longshot and Huge longshot. What to quibble over the difference? Isn't 3x nil still nil (2.9% v. .9%)... and those a betting odds...
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    Re: Can Senator Sanders win the democratic nomination for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Perhaps true with the right-wing....but sorry....left-wing voters are going to cast their votes for Hillary in the GE because we recognize that we are never going to get much more than a left-leaning moderate. That is just political reality...something that the right-wing doesn't really understand as well. I think moderate Republican voters get it, but the radical right-wing wants to push the party further to the right which truly does end up losing voters.
    Generally speaking the democrat base is more tenuous about voting than the republican one. If anything, they are more apt to sit out an election if they aren't excited about the candidate at the top of the ticket.
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    Re: Can Senator Sanders win the democratic nomination for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Exactly what did Obama do raise the national debt? Please be specific

    Hint: There is an economic infrastructure consisting of tax policy and expenditures, both discretionary and non-discretionary that dictate the year over year economic outcomes for our treasury. Presidents can advocate policies that effect those outcomes, but those policies have to be enacted by Congress. A President, by himself, can't do much to effect the outcomes. So, please tell us what Obama did that would substantiate your implication that he raised the debt....
    To be specific I suggest you ask Obama that exact same question about what he said about Bush being unpatriotic for raising the national debt by 4 trillion. Now I suggest Obama is the most unpatriotic president in US History by his own standards. Let me know what Obama says when you pop the question to him and if he does not give you the correct answer then you can give him your HINT.

    However you don't have to ask him, here he tells you exactly what Bush did. If you don't remember, here is Obama himself. Now I think you have your answer.

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    Last edited by Born Free; 05-01-15 at 09:12 PM.
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    Re: Can Senator Sanders win the democratic nomination for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Generally speaking the democrat base is more tenuous about voting than the republican one. If anything, they are more apt to sit out an election if they aren't excited about the candidate at the top of the ticket.
    I disagree completely. The left is much more realistic about what it takes to get a candidate elected. If the left were as apathetic as you claim...they would have sat out the last several elections...but they didn't. They elected Clinton despite his moderate/centrist views...and Obama despite his moderate stance on the issues. The left is realistic. On the otherhand....you have a strong right-wing base to the Republican party that uses its threats to get the candidates to cowtow to their issues. It is probably why Romney lost. If he hadn't sold his soul to the right-wing and flip flopped on every major issue and stayed true to his convictions....but instead he felt the need to pander to the right-wing base and he couldn't shake his etch a sketch enough to reinvent himself for the GE

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