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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    I don't believe USA has ever been the greatest country except to Americans. It's certainly one of if not the most arrogant about "being the greatest" though, that's rarely been in doubt.
    We have a right to be arrogant. We are in fact the greatest country on the planet. However that could change if we elect too many more presidents like Obama who have no regard for separation of powers.

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anglo-scot View Post
    I think we have a long and dishonourable history of claiming to be the best in the world for many years. And there is of course the word "Great" in "Great Britain" which endures. But I have to hand it to the USA - it's definitely the best and claiming to the best in the world, judging by this thread. Here's my (slightly-biased) best in the world list:

    Democracy - Scandinavian countries - New Zealand/Switzerland
    Food - France - Thailand
    Style - Italy - don't know what that is
    Music - Austria - eh? you mean Mozart, Haydn and Mahler? How about something from the past century. Conchita Wurst?
    Pomp and ceremony - UK - Vatican City?
    Sitcoms - USA - they got anything to rival Fawlty Towers or Blackadder? Don't think so.
    Wine - very hard to choose and USA is up there (UK is not) - Chile, Spain, France, Australia, Argentina, USA - tough call.
    Sports - UK - Australia, SpainThere was a time when Spain simultaneously held the world championship in basketball, Formula One, Motorcycling, Cycling, Football and had World No.1 in tennis.
    Cars - Japan - Germany, surely. Not by quantity, but quality
    Washing machines - Germany - Korea - LG and Samsung can't be beaten

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Hey I am Dutch and I love/respect a lot of things the US was and is to itself, it's citizens and to the world as a whole. I may love my own country more but any self respecting person should be saying that of his/her own country.

    And yes, sadly politicians in the US think that a limited bit of sharing the wealth around is an evil and bad word. Taxes is a curse word and local government use proceeds from tickets and court fines to balance their budgets because they do not have the guts to do it the proper way around, by taxes, fees and balancing the budget.
    I don't think you understand why America is great. We originally became the economic and technological giant we are because our system is, or at least was based more on free enterprise then socialism. Our success is based on realizing that economics is not a "zero sum game". Raising taxes is not and should not be the default method of creating more tax revenue to run a government. There have been at least three times in my lifetime that lowering taxes has resulted in more tax revenue.

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Thank you. Seriously, thank you. I did watch the video and I couldn't really argue with what he said, though I still have no clue as to where he stands on the issue or what he thinks went wrong. I do want for all to be able to say they live in the best place for them and that they love it wherever it is. That is a great thing. If all seven billion people on Earth looked for the same thing as the ideal, some place is going to be really crowded.

    So for me, the United States is the greatest country because I don't want to live anywhere else. I couldn't answer the poll because 'greatest' means so many different things to everybody.

    At the same time, I have already lived a long life and have a lot more of it behind me than I can expect to be ahead. And I can remember when just about everybody, black, white, brown, other, saw this as the land of opportunity and possibilities and we weren't afraid of much of anything. I can remember when we expected good old fashioned American hard work, ingenuity, and resourcefulness to solve our problems and did not expect or want the government to do much about that. For me, that was a much better time in America.

    I do think we Americans lost some of our greatness when we exchanged a live and let live attitude for so much judgmentalism, blame, partisanship, and expectation for others to provide what we want. Such has always existed, but it was very limited 50-60 years ago. I think we lost a lot of greatness when so many started giving the responsibility to government to order society instead of doing that ourselves and, IMO, that is when we started losing so much ground in all those stats he rattled off in that video whether he got them exactly right or not. He was speaking extemporaneously so can be forgiven if he got some of the numbers wrong. He is right that we have lost a lot of ground.

    But I still don't want to live anywhere else.
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    I'm not in America, so I don't really see a lot of the problems you're referring to. Perhaps, the attitudes of some are similar to rich kids who grow up with the best of everything, being handed everything and anything they want, and then expecting that treatment all their lives. America has had the best of everything and many have had it handed to them. But now it's a little tougher and people are having to work harder for the same things and they perhaps feel cheated and want someone (government) to make it easier. I can blame my generation too because we've pretty much babied and coddled our children, given them everything and expected little in return and we've encouraged a sense of entitlement and everything becomes a right and nothing is a responsibility or an obligation.

    Anyway, if I was born and raised in America I'm sure I'd never consider living anywhere else. It's how I've come to view Canada. But I'm not one of those Canadians who likes to claim we're better than America and Americans because essentially we're not and if anything we're pretty much the same.

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    I don't think you understand why America is great. We originally became the economic and technological giant we are because our system is, or at least was based more on free enterprise then socialism. Our success is based on realizing that economics is not a "zero sum game". Raising taxes is not and should not be the default method of creating more tax revenue to run a government. There have been at least three times in my lifetime that lowering taxes has resulted in more tax revenue.
    Most people from outside the USA are not going to agree with any American that America is objectively the "greatest country" in the world, if it is sincerely believed. You just open yourself to being knocked down on an endless number of issues. Sure, be proud of your country, and I'll be proud of mine. I can also admire your country, but I won't bother telling you what I admire about it if you keep telling me that it's the best.

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Yes it is. Glad to help.
    Ok - interesting additions. I like your choices on democracy. My choice on music reflected my classical tendencies. Ms/Mr Wurst has certainly put Austrian music back on the map, for different reasons.

    Vatican City is up there on pomp but have you heard how lousy their choir is?

    I think Britain has lost its sitcom crown since the ones you mentioned. Frasier, 2 and a Half Men and Big Bang Theory are now way ahead of the competition.

    UK for sport was a historic choice because it codified and professionalised so many sports - but agreed that Spain and Australia are per head of population ahead of the pack.

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    I agree with Will. What he said was more patriotic than anything anyone says these days: we're turning into a shell of our former selves being led by factions whose last concern is the benefit of this country.
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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?
    i used to buy into that label when i was younger. now "greatest country" mostly seems to mean that the US is expected to intervene in global conflicts instead of building a nice country that takes care of its citizens and innovates a better and more stable society than anywhere else. there are all sorts of measures for how good it is to live somewhere, not just brute strength or economic power. why not just shoot for greatest quality of life? that seems to be the best measure.

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i used to buy into that label when i was younger. now "greatest country" mostly seems to mean that the US is expected to intervene in global conflicts instead of building a nice country that takes care of its citizens and innovates a better and more stable society than anywhere else. there are all sorts of measures for how good it is to live somewhere, not just brute strength or economic power. why not just shoot for greatest quality of life? that seems to be the best measure.
    That's at least a more objective measure.

    In this survey, the USA was 16 in the world rankings Where-to-be-born Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia On The UK was down at 27. The general pattern is that smaller industrialised countries do better.

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anglo-scot View Post
    That's at least a more objective measure.

    In this survey, the USA was 16 in the world rankings Where-to-be-born Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia On The UK was down at 27. The general pattern is that smaller industrialised countries do better.
    yeah, i saw that one before i posted.

    US does a little better here :

    Quality of Life Index by Country 2015

    and here :

    Top Countries On OECD Better Life Index - Business Insider

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