'What kind of sick and twisted toy factory is this?'
'We are all the sum of our tears. Too little and the ground is not fertile, and nothing can grow there. Too much, the best of us is washed away.'
"Better to be dead and cool, than alive and uncool."
"He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
Fiddling While Rome Burns
Carthago Delenda Est
"I used to roll the dice; see the fear in my enemies' eyes... listen as the crowd would sing, 'now the old king is dead, Long Live the King.'.."
America is still the greatest nation on Earth, ain't nothing changed.
As it becomes more and more as it is supposed to be, where natural given rights are no longer denied, my feelings are only reaffirmed.
Self loathing is a threat to America and complacency, an even bigger one. A history of both excellence and great innovation but also of great moral failures, let's continue the former and learn from the latter.
Folks will believe anything if it's against the grain.
Last edited by Van Basten; 04-30-15 at 11:35 AM.
"I am not among those who fear the people. They and not the rich, are our dependence for continued freedom." -- Thomas Jefferson, 1816 "[F]acts are before ideas." -- Mikhail Bakunin, 1882
Which nation do you guys think goes around calling themselves the second greatest country in the world?
One of you will end up here next!
Nowhere near. Even just on standard of living alone, America has plummeted in the last several decades. Violence, education, health, community, quality of employment -- all in steep decline. Everything that matters to the average person has declined in the US. That is an objectively verifiable fact, and it is also my personal experience as an American who has lived abroad -- and ultimately chose to leave permanently. I'm in good company. There's an exodus of young Americans trying to escape. And believe me, it's only just beginning.
Was it ever the greatest? I'm not sure, honestly. America has lagged between almost every other developed nation on almost every rights issue that has ever come up during our entire history. It has always been a relatively backwards-thinking country in the scheme of developed nations, and it has always been slow to accept other human beings as human beings.
Those who still try to claim America is the best place on earth are most of the problem. They want to delude themselves into believing there are no problems, which is how America continues to fall down the ranks. Bury your head in the sand and the problem goes away, apparently. It's an ego game to them, like rooting for a football team. And they are why it is so hard to make any progress in the US. Their baseless sense of superiority matters more to them than their country.
Is there a greatest nation? Eh, I don't know about that either. I mean, define "greatest."
But if we were to try to measure that from the perspective of average people who have to live in it, I do know that America most definitely wouldn't be it.
Last edited by SmokeAndMirrors; 04-30-15 at 01:53 PM.
Nice try but the USA has never been the greatest country. It has always been England and always will be. Sorry to burst anyone's bubble.