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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I think it's an article of faith for nationalists and imperialists.
    For extreme nationalists aka imperialists yes.

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It is a rather silly speech designed to sound good while having exactly zero substance. And he is wrong both in saying that America is not the greatest country in the world, and his over the top rose tinted glasses while looking back.
    While I agree with your comment on America's 'culture of cynicism,' as you put it, I fail to see where you can find his speech 'silly' or devoid of 'substance'. The statistics he cites are, unless I've missed something, factually accurate and in nearly every one of those metrics the U.S. is a former leader. Maybe his glasses are rose tinted, but I don't think we'll find many people who'd agree that our money is better spent in financial aid to unappreciative pseudo-allies like Pakistan than on NASA (for just one example). The motivations that drove American policy have changed dramatically somewhere along the line, clearly, and most of the things that made us the greatest country in the world, we just don't have anymore.

    That said, I also agree with you on that I would not choose to live anywhere but here.

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    No. Patriotism for the sake of itself is corny and moronic. If you're not willing to change things, wave your flag all you want. The U.S. is further behind in several key areas than any industrialized nation should be in this day and age.

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Warden Wells View Post
    No. Patriotism for the sake of itself is corny and moronic. If you're not willing to change things, wave your flag all you want. The U.S. is further behind in several key areas than any industrialized nation should be in this day and age.
    Insistence that your nation is 'The Greatest' suggests a reluctance to improve. I think we've noticed that in recent decades.
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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    Very true, but when such misconduct starts in 1901 with the massacre of Filipino civilians -



    "I want no prisoners. I wish you to kill and burn; the more you kill and burn, the better it will please me... The interior of Samar must be made a howling wilderness... "

    — Gen. Jacob H. Smith

    And continues along these lines -



    "A small child came out ... like he was kneeling down to find his mother, and some GI just finished him."

    " ... soldiers gathered these women and children together. After taking this photo Habearle turned, and heard automatic fire. From the corner of his eye, he saw "all the bodies falling over ..."

    Evidence from Official Army photographer Ron Haeberle.

    Photo Gallery . My Lai . American Experience . WGBH | PBS

    *Fallujah war crimes — white phosphorus chemical, depleted uranium, thermobaric bombs — graphic images fuel-air weapons********* Bush U.S. military and War Crimes*in Iraq*********The WE News Archives*

    This is organised butchery and war crimes, not a case of 'a few bad apples'.

    So don't tell me about being 'the greatest'. Save your jingoism for the successfully indoctrinated.
    Lol you sound pretty indoctrinated yourself.

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Lol you sound pretty indoctrinated yourself.
    LOL, when the presentation of documented fact equals indoctrination, we are in trouble.
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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    While it is spiralaling down hill, it is still better then every other countries.

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    If having a handful of billionaires having more wealth than millions of ordinary Americans, then yes, it's a great country for the very wealthy. Remember, dubya said the haves and have mores were his base?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn4daYJzyls

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by demsoc70 View Post
    If having a handful of billionaires having more wealth than millions of ordinary Americans, then yes, it's a great country for the very wealthy. Remember, dubya said the haves and have mores were his base?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn4daYJzyls
    Well, we COULD devolve into some left wing Socialist hell hole, but that would take Millions of Idiots voting in enough Politicians to implement those kind of regressive policies.

    Gotta admit, Obama being elected is not a good sign for freedom loving non-indoctrinated voters.


    But I think there are enough Americans who are intelligent enough not to repeat Socialist experiments like France, Argentina, Venezuela and Greece to name a few.

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    Very true, but when such misconduct starts in 1901 with the massacre of Filipino civilians -



    "I want no prisoners. I wish you to kill and burn; the more you kill and burn, the better it will please me... The interior of Samar must be made a howling wilderness... "

    — Gen. Jacob H. Smith

    And continues along these lines -



    "A small child came out ... like he was kneeling down to find his mother, and some GI just finished him."

    " ... soldiers gathered these women and children together. After taking this photo Habearle turned, and heard automatic fire. From the corner of his eye, he saw "all the bodies falling over ..."

    Evidence from Official Army photographer Ron Haeberle.

    Photo Gallery . My Lai . American Experience . WGBH | PBS

    *Fallujah war crimes — white phosphorus chemical, depleted uranium, thermobaric bombs — graphic images fuel-air weapons********* Bush U.S. military and War Crimes*in Iraq*********The WE News Archives*

    This is organised butchery and war crimes, not a case of 'a few bad apples'.

    So don't tell me about being 'the greatest'. Save your jingoism for the successfully indoctrinated.
    You left out two world wars. So, if all you have to show are two incidents of war time rage in country that is 239 years old and has fought literally all over the world for much of our existence, then compared to every other country in human history, we're angels of mercy.

    You should think about that before you jump to a rather uninformed conclusion.
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