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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anglo-scot View Post
    That's becoming a theme on this thread - just dismissing evidence out of hand which refers to widespread killings of civilians by the US. I was suggesting that we take one of the topics listed on the website and discuss it. I conclude that this is too difficult for people who are intent on maintaining that the USA is the "greatest" country.
    It's a whacko nutjob site. It is basically throwing a ton of **** on the walls and hoping something sticks. No serious adult is going to take it seriously. I look at that site in much the same way I look at the troofer 9/11/01 sites that think the US government orchestrated the terrorist attacks of 9/11/01.

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    It's a whacko nutjob site. It is basically throwing a ton of **** on the walls and hoping something sticks. No serious adult is going to take it seriously. I look at that site in much the same way I look at the troofer 9/11/01 sites that think the US government orchestrated the terrorist attacks of 9/11/01.
    Ok - I can find you another site. But you've dismissed two of the sites I've mentioned and not dealt with the Wikipedia pages I've linked to. Are you seriously willing to look at the issue of allegedly huge peacetime casualties from America's military interventions since WW2, in the context of determining American "greatness"? I don't think you want to go there because you just want to continue thinking America is the "greatest" and evidence to the contrary just makes you feel uncomfortable. But prove me wrong.

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anglo-scot View Post
    Ok - I can find you another site. But you've dismissed two of the sites I've mentioned and not dealt with the Wikipedia pages I've linked to. Are you seriously willing to look at the issue of allegedly huge peacetime casualties from America's military interventions since WW2, in the context of determining American "greatness"? I don't think you want to go there because you just want to continue thinking America is the "greatest" and evidence to the contrary just makes you feel uncomfortable. But prove me wrong.
    Just keep it real. Military interventions do not translate into war crimes. And war is hell. People die in wars. Just leave out the whacko nutjob web sites. And it would be wise to avoid links to wikipedia as well. Considering that the material in Wiki can be edited by the readers, it's more of a blog then a factual news site.

    P.S. America is the greatest.

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Just keep it real. Military interventions do not translate into war crimes.
    They do not, but events such as My Lai, Fallujah, and Abou Ghraibe, need no translation.

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    P.S. America is the greatest.
    I am sure that is a conclusion arrive at objectively, and with due self-deprecation - but the greatest what?
    I hate the idea of causes, and if I had to choose between betraying my country and betraying my friend, I hope I should have the guts to betray my country. E.M. Forster

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    They do not, but events such as My Lai, Fallujah, and Abou Ghraibe, need no translation.
    Misconduct by certain military personnel occurs in every army and in every conflict.

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    Misconduct by certain military personnel occurs in every army and in every conflict.
    Very true, but when such misconduct starts in 1901 with the massacre of Filipino civilians -



    "I want no prisoners. I wish you to kill and burn; the more you kill and burn, the better it will please me... The interior of Samar must be made a howling wilderness... "

    — Gen. Jacob H. Smith

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    "A small child came out ... like he was kneeling down to find his mother, and some GI just finished him."

    " ... soldiers gathered these women and children together. After taking this photo Habearle turned, and heard automatic fire. From the corner of his eye, he saw "all the bodies falling over ..."

    Evidence from Official Army photographer Ron Haeberle.

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexpe...acre-evidence/

    As late as September 2010, American soldiers were still murdering the inhabitants of Fallujah, including an eighty five year old man and seven souls described as “youngsters.”
    *Fallujah war crimes — white phosphorus chemical, depleted uranium, thermobaric bombs — graphic images fuel-air weapons********* Bush U.S. military and War Crimes*in Iraq*********The WE News Archives*

    This is organised butchery and war crimes, not a case of 'a few bad apples'.

    So don't tell me about being 'the greatest'. Save your jingoism for the successfully indoctrinated.
    I hate the idea of causes, and if I had to choose between betraying my country and betraying my friend, I hope I should have the guts to betray my country. E.M. Forster

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    Very true, but when such misconduct starts in 1901 with the massacre of Filipino civilians -



    "I want no prisoners. I wish you to kill and burn; the more you kill and burn, the better it will please me... The interior of Samar must be made a howling wilderness... "

    — Gen. Jacob H. Smith

    And continues along these lines -



    "A small child came out ... like he was kneeling down to find his mother, and some GI just finished him."

    " ... soldiers gathered these women and children together. After taking this photo Habearle turned, and heard automatic fire. From the corner of his eye, he saw "all the bodies falling over ..."

    Evidence from Official Army photographer Ron Haeberle.

    Photo Gallery . My Lai . American Experience . WGBH | PBS

    *Fallujah war crimes — white phosphorus chemical, depleted uranium, thermobaric bombs — graphic images fuel-air weapons********* Bush U.S. military and War Crimes*in Iraq*********The WE News Archives*

    This is organised butchery and war crimes, not a case of 'a few bad apples'.

    So don't tell me about being 'the greatest'. Save your jingoism for the successfully indoctrinated.
    Yes, I understand you are more interested in propaganda than in facts.

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    Yes, I understand you are more interested in propaganda than in facts.
    You appear to be positively allergic to them.
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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    You appear to be positively allergic to them.
    You confuse propaganda with facts.

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    You confuse propaganda with facts.
    When you demonstrate that you know what a fact is, we'll discuss the distinction between the two.
    "The crisis will end when fear changes sides" - Pablo Iglesias Turrión

    "Austerity is used as a cover to reconfigure society and increase inequality and injustice." - Jeremy Corbyn

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