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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    Fair comment - I was guided (or was that misguided?) by a number of claims from seemingly patriotic Americans who claimed to own large US manufactured SUVs and things like Ford F150s and big Cadillacs. There was much sneering at German cars such as Mercedes, Audi and BMW, and I assumed from that, Americans considered their automotive products pre-eminent. I must confess I know very little about American cars, and have not heard of a Pacer, a Pinto, or a Cordoba. The only Cordoba of which I am aware is in Spain.
    In fairness, I think there were regional differences regarding domestic versus foreign cars that have somewhat faded in recent years. People in the Midwest tended to be more loyal to domestic manufacturers because of the large manufacturing presence and blue-collar workforce there at the time. For many years if you lived in Michigan you took your life into your hands if you bought a Japanese car. On the other hand, sneering at Detroit products in California was pretty common. My stepdad was from Detroit. He was a "Ford man." After he passed away, one of the first things my mom did was trade in a Ford E-Series van and Freestyle for a Volkswagen Tiguan. She loves it. And here's a Pacer, the so-called "Hamster-mobile" or "Pregnant Egg":

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I think it's you who is delusional. The US army military government in Korea ruled the southern part of the peninsular from September 1945 to August 1948.
    That was simply a temporary military occupation. By that reasoning the US "ruled" part of Germany for more than 40 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    That was simply a temporary military occupation. By that reasoning the US "ruled" part of Germany for more than 40 years.
    The point is the civilian deaths caused by the Americans during their occupation of Korea, however you call it. Death is more real than semantics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    In fairness, I think there were regional differences regarding domestic versus foreign cars that have somewhat faded in recent years. People in the Midwest tended to be more loyal to domestic manufacturers because of the large manufacturing presence and blue-collar workforce there at the time. For many years if you lived in Michigan you took your life into your hands if you bought a Japanese car. On the other hand, sneering at Detroit products in California was pretty common. My stepdad was from Detroit. He was a "Ford man." After he passed away, one of the first things my mom did was trade in a Ford E-Series van and Freestyle for a Volkswagen Tiguan. She loves it. And here's a Pacer, the so-called "Hamster-mobile" or "Pregnant Egg":

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    Thanks! LOL, that's one car that has had a big hit from the ugly stick.

    And yeah, Volkswagen make excellent cars (though I am not a fan of SUVs).
    I hate the idea of causes, and if I had to choose between betraying my country and betraying my friend, I hope I should have the guts to betray my country. E.M. Forster

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anglo-scot View Post
    John Kerry's quotes were a small part of the article, which included a long list of war crimes alleged against the US. If it makes it any easier, then we could both have a look at the list of US war crimes on this list, choose just one to debate, and let each other know. I didn't mention Korea before - several million dead during US rule. But choose any country and allegation listed and we'll see if the allegations of war crimes stand up.
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    It is a whacko nutjob site. I can't take it seriously.

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Once again, you don't seem to have any idea what your political opponents actually have to say. That entitlement that you oppose, it only exists in your own mind. We don't say anything like that. We don't advocate anything like that. The only ones expressing that kind of entitlement are the Tea Partiers whining that they don't want to pay taxes anymore, despite using government to enrich their lives for decades and passing the bill on to my generation. The entitled person is the one with the "keep your government hands off my Medicare" sign.
    You realize that Social Security and Medicare were pet programs of the progressive administrations of FDR and Lyndon Johnson respectively, right? Liberals have spent the better part of my life touting how wonderful and successful these programs were. But now do I detect a bit of discontent in the progressive house? Why is that? Isn't the $700 billion Obama yanked out of Medicare to fund HIS pet program enough?
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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    It is a whacko nutjob site. I can't take it seriously.
    That's becoming a theme on this thread - just dismissing evidence out of hand which refers to widespread killings of civilians by the US. I was suggesting that we take one of the topics listed on the website and discuss it. I conclude that this is too difficult for people who are intent on maintaining that the USA is the "greatest" country.

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Maybe the ones who believe that our country is not the greatest,would be best suited to find another country to live in.Funny how if were not that great of a country,Illegal immigrants wouldn't be dying to reach our soil.
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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cliffhanger View Post
    Maybe the ones who believe that our country is not the greatest,would be best suited to find another country to live in.Funny how if were not that great of a country,Illegal immigrants wouldn't be dying to reach our soil.
    Desperation is surely a poor indicator. You don't support the 'right to disagree'?

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cliffhanger View Post
    Maybe the ones who believe that our country is not the greatest,would be best suited to find another country to live in.Funny how if were not that great of a country,Illegal immigrants wouldn't be dying to reach our soil.
    OTOH, perhaps the ones who don't believe your country is the greatest are those whom you should encourage the most to stay. Perfection has not yet been attained in this world, but those who see the imperfections in our respective societies are the only ones who are likely to improve those societies. "I am the greatest!" is a mindless and complacent attitude which removes any motivation for improvement.

    And may I remind you that 'illegal immigrants' - known as 'refugees' in the civilised world - are dying to reach any country, American, European, or Australasian, wherein they may be safe, not commercially enslaved, and not starve to death.
    I hate the idea of causes, and if I had to choose between betraying my country and betraying my friend, I hope I should have the guts to betray my country. E.M. Forster

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