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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    None of those attacks on enemy-controlled cities and military positions and targets was in any reasonable sense a war crime. But I note that you didn't respond to what I said about the invasion of Normandy.
    Because I've never heard anybody suggest that those civilians were "targeted" as those I mentioned were.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    Actually, with very few exceptions, virtually no military officers of Axis countries who were involved in the planning or commanding of large-scale bombing campaigns were charged with war crimes.
    That's besides the point that LeMay knew that what he was engaged in was, and that if the US failed to defeat Japan, that it is he that would have been tried for war crimes.
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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That's besides the point that LeMay knew that what he was engaged in was, and that if the US failed to defeat Japan, that it is he that would have been tried for war crimes.
    That is an assertion you are making. Bombing Japan was not a war crime.

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Because I've never heard anybody suggest that those civilians were "targeted" as those I mentioned were.
    Yes, I understood you don't know much about WWII history.

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    That is an assertion you are making. Bombing Japan was not a war crime.
    Well, you're being generic while I was being specific.

    He (Gen. LeMay) also remarked that had the U.S. lost the war, he fully expected to be tried for war crimes.[19]

    Curtis LeMay - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    Yes, I understood you don't know much about WWII history.
    So who has suggested that they were targeted, hmm?
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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well, you're being generic while I was being specific.

    He (Gen. LeMay) also remarked that had the U.S. lost the war, he fully expected to be tried for war crimes.[19]

    Curtis LeMay - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Clearly in that case the chief war criminal would have been Franklin Roosevelt. But the point is moot since these were not war crimes..

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    So who has suggested that they were targeted, hmm?
    The bombing campaign and bombardements involved in the run up to the invasion of Normandy killed many thousands of civilians.

    These bombings and bombardements "targeted" enemy-held positions, just as the bombing of Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Tokyo "targeted" enemy-held positions.

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    Clearly in that case the chief war criminal would have been Franklin Roosevelt. But the point is moot since those that did lose the war were not tried for bombing enemy-held cities.
    Not so clear according to LeMay. I've not heard anyone blame Roosevelt for war crimes, though he surely is guilty of having provoked a Japanese attack at Pearl Harbor.
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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    The bombing campaign and bombardements involved in the run up to the invasion of Normandy killed many thousands of civilians.

    These bombings and bombardements "targeted" enemy-held positions, just as the bombing of Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Tokyo "targeted" enemy-held positions.
    The nuclear weapons dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the least discriminant weapon used ever. Two civilian cities were targeted for annihilation. Apologise and defend it all you wish.
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