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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anglo-scot View Post
    Since there's still a few people on this thread who persist with the notion that the USA is objectively the best country in the world despite making some "mistakes", here's an interesting Wikipedia article about US war crimes for your perusal. Check the articles linked at the bottom too. Does anyone want to discuss these issues, in the context of national greatness?
    United States war crimes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Oh hell, that's just a thumb nail.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    In war things get ****ing dirty.

    I expect you would find similar actions from any country involved in any war.

    Unacceptable, true. But it seems like the nature of war brings out the ugly side of humans, and the longer and dirtier it is the more likely something like that will happen.
    That sounds a little apologetic.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    People who readily accuse countries of "war crimes" usually have no idea what war crimes are.
    Pretty sure that targeting civilians is in the definition.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Pretty sure that targeting civilians is in the definition.
    it's not that simple. But people like to be simplistic.

    In the invasion of Normandy civilians came under heavy fire. Was the invasion of Normandy a war crime?

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    Because it nicely illustrates how the term "war crime" is distorted to be used as a simple slur. And of course also because a lot of it is the usual anti-American drivel of the most base and primitive nature.

    Do you adhere to the reasoning developed in the piece you linked to?
    General Curtis LeMay acknowledged at the time (during his led fir bombing of Tokyo that killed 80,000 civilians) that if the US didn't win the war that he would be tried for war crimes.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    General Curtis LeMay acknowledged at the time (during his led fir bombing of Tokyo that killed 80,000 civilians) that if the US didn't win the war that he would be tried for treason.
    You are confusing "treason" with "war crime"?

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    it's not that simple. But people like to be simplistic.

    In the invasion of Normandy civilians came under heavy fire. Was the invasion of Normandy a war crime?
    I was thinking more about Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    You are confusing "treason" with "war crime"?
    Excuse me, of course I meant war crimes as he in fact suggested.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I was thinking more about Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
    None of those attacks on enemy-controlled cities and military positions and targets was in any reasonable sense a war crime. But I note that you didn't respond to what I said about the invasion of Normandy.

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Excuse me, of course I meant war crimes as he in fact suggested.
    Actually, with very few exceptions, virtually no military officers of Axis countries who were involved in the planning or commanding of large-scale bombing campaigns were charged with war crimes.

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