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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Sorry, but you can't pretend non-evidence is evidence. The advocacy piece was worthless from a factual point of view, and the ISIS/oil piece actually made my point, not yours. Your problem is not my debating tactic but your assertion unsupported by any factual foundation.
    like i said, believe whatever supports your worldview and automatically dismiss any challenges to it if that makes you happy. i'm not going to waste another second on dishonest shortcuts.

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    like i said, believe whatever supports your worldview and automatically dismiss any challenges to it if that makes you happy. i'm not going to waste another second on dishonest shortcuts.
    Your attitude mystifies me. I never "automatically" dismiss challenges, but I dismiss assertions readily shown to be false and I like to see evidence.
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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anglo-scot View Post
    I think we have a long and dishonourable history of claiming to be the best in the world for many years.
    It's not dishonorable if it's true. The question isn't which country makes the best washing machines or sitcoms. It is whether the U.S. is the greatest country, and, while opinions may vary, on some of the most important measures of a country's "greatness" I don't think the U.S. has any peer. If not for the U.S. all of those French chefs would be cooking Apfelstrudel while pomp and ceremony in Britain would revolve around the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers goose stepping and perfecting their "Sieg Heils."
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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    It's a crappy poll and crappy speech because it asserts the good-old-days were wonderful - and they were not.

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    This is the movie speech:


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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Oil money from the US is a negligible source of terrorist support. A large role for that oil money is just a myth. It is also a myth that the ME has been embroiled in holy war for centuries. There have been conflicts to be sure, but there have been longer periods of calm. A strong US presence actually gives regimes there the confidence to not act with hair-trigger responses.

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    This is the movie speech:


    terrible. reminds me of everyone I see in my field that lecture in this style.
    cliched out the wazoo

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    It's not dishonorable if it's true. The question isn't which country makes the best washing machines or sitcoms. It is whether the U.S. is the greatest country, and, while opinions may vary, on some of the most important measures of a country's "greatness" I don't think the U.S. has any peer. If not for the U.S. all of those French chefs would be cooking Apfelstrudel while pomp and ceremony in Britain would revolve around the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers goose stepping and perfecting their "Sieg Heils."
    without french support the USA might still be a set of British colonies.
    History, it's a dish served best complete.

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    without french support the USA might still be a set of British colonies.
    History, it's a dish served best complete.
    So you might try mentioning that we saved pompous French asses more than once. That's not to say that I don't appreciate Lafayette, Montesquieu, Rousseau, and their statue in New York Harbor.
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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    It's not dishonorable if it's true. The question isn't which country makes the best washing machines or sitcoms. It is whether the U.S. is the greatest country, and, while opinions may vary, on some of the most important measures of a country's "greatness" I don't think the U.S. has any peer. If not for the U.S. all of those French chefs would be cooking Apfelstrudel while pomp and ceremony in Britain would revolve around the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers goose stepping and perfecting their "Sieg Heils."
    The fact that anyone in 2015 can argue that his country is objectively the best in the world is risible beyond belief. I just hope that this is a mental affliction that not too many Americans suffer from.

    We can talk about the relative contributions of different countries to the outcome of WW2 in more detail if you like. Have a read of this in the meantime Battle of Stalingrad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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