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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Yes. It was a great error by GWB not to impose a war tax.
    in fact, he actually cut taxes during the war. i'll at least give you credit for consistency on this one. most hawks aren't willing to pay another dime.

    my personal preference is to raise tax rates significantly during wartime to make the public a lot more reluctant, and to make the upper tiers who tend to make money from war especially reluctant. when it doesn't affect you personally, you tend not to care. either way, we've maintained a constant state of war for long enough, and it's time to try something else, IMO.

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    in fact, he actually cut taxes during the war. i'll at least give you credit for consistency on this one. most hawks aren't willing to pay another dime.

    my personal preference is to raise tax rates significantly during wartime to make the public a lot more reluctant, and to make the upper tiers who tend to make money from war especially reluctant. when it doesn't affect you personally, you tend not to care. either way, we've maintained a constant state of war for long enough, and it's time to try something else, IMO.
    With all due respect, we are not the determiners of how long we will fight unless it is your intention to surrender. And the "upper tiers" have as much to lose as to gain in war, and their stock portfolios usually take a hit. For me the war tax is a means for the public to participate in the effort. It has to be accompanied by expansionist fiscal policy to offset the constricting effect of higher taxes.
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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    No one else is capable enough, or disinterested enough. Madeleine Albright was on the mark when she said the US is the indispensable nation.
    Indispensable to what? I'd be more than happy for the US to stop getting involved in world conflicts. I feel the same about Britain. It would save a lot of lives and money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anglo-scot View Post
    Indispensable to what? I'd be more than happy for the US to stop getting involved in world conflicts. I feel the same about Britain. It would save a lot of lives and money.
    No, it would not. The conflicts would merely be larger, more violent and closer at hand.
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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Depends on how you define "greatest." I think America is great, but I don't think it's best at all things.
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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    With all due respect, we are not the determiners of how long we will fight unless it is your intention to surrender. And the "upper tiers" have as much to lose as to gain in war, and their stock portfolios usually take a hit. For me the war tax is a means for the public to participate in the effort. It has to be accompanied by expansionist fiscal policy to offset the constricting effect of higher taxes.
    yeah, we have the choice to tell Saudi Arabia to handle its own region as we handle ours. the best thing that we could do would be to spend all of that war money on replacing the transportation energy model. that would probably do more to defund terror than anything else.

    the region has been embroiled in a holy war for more than a thousand years. we pick whatever side is convenient, and then ten years later, we're fighting that side, and they're armed with our weapons. i'm not sure how many times it has to happen before we finally figure that out. get out of the region for thirty years and let it stabilize. in the meantime, we have a whole lot of roads to fix, an energy grid to expand, and a century old transportation energy model to upgrade. the money would be much better spent doing that.

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i'm good with disaster aid. i'm not good with the US being expected to act as the world's pro bono military. we've neglected our own country for long enough, and it's someone else's turn.
    I am at least partially with you on that one. I think we need to maintain our abilities and logistics, however it is time for Europe to step up to the plate.

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    yeah, we have the choice to tell Saudi Arabia to handle its own region as we handle ours. the best thing that we could do would be to spend all of that war money on replacing the transportation energy model. that would probably do more to defund terror than anything else.

    the region has been embroiled in a holy war for more than a thousand years. we pick whatever side is convenient, and then ten years later, we're fighting that side, and they're armed with our weapons. i'm not sure how many times it has to happen before we finally figure that out. get out of the region for thirty years and let it stabilize. in the meantime, we have a whole lot of roads to fix, an energy grid to expand, and a century old transportation energy model to upgrade. the money would be much better spent doing that.
    Oil money from the US is a negligible source of terrorist support. A large role for that oil money is just a myth. It is also a myth that the ME has been embroiled in holy war for centuries. There have been conflicts to be sure, but there have been longer periods of calm. A strong US presence actually gives regimes there the confidence to not act with hair-trigger responses.
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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    No one else is capable enough, or disinterested enough. Madeleine Albright was on the mark when she said the US is the indispensable nation.
    The Europeans claim they are going to build a European union quick reaction force. That would be a start.

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    Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    The Europeans claim they are going to build a European union quick reaction force. That would be a start.
    They do not have the capabilities, the equipment, or the personnel. Other than that, they'll be fine.
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