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    Re: Does a state governor have the Constitutional right to monitor Federal troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    I personally have no idea but, we don't know who started the rumors either.

    You do understand how psych ops work don't you?

    Psychological operations (PSYOP) are planned operations to convey selected information and indicators to audiences to influence their emotions, motives, objective reasoning, and ultimately the behavior of governments, organizations, groups, and individuals.
    Seeing as how that acronym is all over CT websites but they have zero proof for it. I think it is a very safe bet who started the rumor/outright lie.
    Seeing as the military is not saying that what you claim is the name of the exercise is the real name then there would not be much value to that propaganda. If the military was really trying to scare the locals by calling it that then wouldn't they be using that name and not just CT nutjobs.

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    Re: Does a state governor have the Constitutional right to monitor Federal troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They are not defying the "authority of the President of the United States", they are monitoring federal activity in their State. Let's keep the hysterics out of the argument. Additionally, the President doesn't have infinite authority, so even if the State militia would intervene (though this is about MONITORIING, nothing more), it doesn't necessarily mean they'd be doing so in order to defy the authority of the President if the actions of the fed are not actions they can properly take in the first place.



    How are they defying anything? They are monitoring and making sure the Fed respects the law of the land. There is nothing in defiance of the Constitution in this act.
    Again, the Governor of Texas ordered the state militia to monitor federal troops in response to concerns from some citizens of Texas that martial law was going to be imposed. By issuing such an order, the Governor of Texas is sending the message to those citizens that there is no need to fear because such an order from the President of the United States will be obstructed. That is an illegitimate use of the state militia to send a message in that way. If the Governor, or the citizens of Texas have such concerns, they have the legitimate constitutional means through the federal court system to express those concerns. The use of an arm of the state government, which is meant to employ violent coercion if necessary, is not the appropriate means.

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    Re: Does a state governor have the Constitutional right to monitor Federal troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Again, the Governor of Texas ordered the state militia to monitor federal troops in response to concerns from some citizens of Texas that martial law was going to be imposed. By issuing such an order, the Governor of Texas is sending the message to those citizens that there is no need to fear because such an order from the President of the United States will be obstructed. That is an illegitimate use of the state militia to send a message in that way. If the Governor, or the citizens of Texas have such concerns, they have the legitimate constitutional means through the federal court system to express those concerns. The use of an arm of the state government, which is meant to employ violent coercion if necessary, is not the appropriate means.
    There's no obstruction. They are not stopping the Fed from doing anything, nor did they agree to deploy the State Militia against the Fed should it "declare martial law".

    This is vaporware, nothing more. It's not illegitimate use, the Militia belongs to the state and may be ordered by the Governor. They are not hindering or interfering with anything the federal government is doing, they are merely monitoring. Just because you feel that it's some egregious affront to Obama doesn't mean it actually is.
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    Re: Does a state governor have the Constitutional right to monitor Federal troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    There's no obstruction. They are not stopping the Fed from doing anything, nor did they agree to deploy the State Militia against the Fed should it "declare martial law".

    This is vaporware, nothing more. It's not illegitimate use, the Militia belongs to the state and may be ordered by the Governor. They are not hindering or interfering with anything the federal government is doing, they are merely monitoring. Just because you feel that it's some egregious affront to Obama doesn't mean it actually is.
    You have invented this egregious affront to Obama from your imagination. It doesn't matter who is President, as long as the President is acting within his constitutional authority, as far as the constitution is concerned, he has the right to declare martial law. If the Governor of Texas or citizens of Texas have a problem with that, the federal court system is the constitutional way to do it. A display of force with a state militia is not the way to go about it.

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    Re: Does a state governor have the Constitutional right to monitor Federal troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    You have invented this egregious affront to Obama from your imagination. It doesn't matter who is President, as long as the President is acting within his constitutional authority, as far as the constitution is concerned, he has the right to declare martial law. If the Governor of Texas or citizens of Texas have a problem with that, the federal court system is the constitutional way to do it. A display of force with a state militia is not the way to go about it.
    OMG...really? What egregious affront to Obama have I generated? You keep complaining about how this is such a blow against the President, who is? Obama. So that's you. Texas has done nothing here, they are merely monitoring Fed activity in their State. That doesn't obstruct anything, they are not preventing anything from happening. You've invented this grad conspiracy over legitimately exercised powers.
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    Re: Does a state governor have the Constitutional right to monitor Federal troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    OMG...really? What egregious affront to Obama have I generated?
    Yes really. YOU invented this

    Just because you feel that it's some egregious affront to Obama doesn't mean it actually is.
    I didn't say it was an egregious affront to Obama, you invented that idea that I felt that way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You keep complaining about how this is such a blow against the President, who is? Obama. So that's you.
    WRONG! I did not say it was a PERSONAL affront, rather I said the act was in defiance of the authority of the President of the United States. There is a difference. To give an example, to say that Obama's daughters are ugly because they are black females is a personal insult to Obama and his family. That is personal. To say that the Governor of Texas is acting IN DEFIANCE OF THE AUTHORITY OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES is not personal, but is in defiance of the authority of the office of the President of the United States.

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    Re: Does a state governor have the Constitutional right to monitor Federal troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Yes really. YOU invented this
    I invented what?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I didn't say it was an egregious affront to Obama, you invented that idea that I felt that way.
    He is the current President, is he not? You invented this egregious affront to the President in all the hysterics of your argument. So this is an egregious affront to Obama, he being the current President, yes? Jesus.

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    WRONG! I did not say it was a PERSONAL affront, rather I said the act was in defiance of the authority of the President of the United States. There is a difference. To give an example, to say that Obama's daughters are ugly because they are black females is a personal insult to Obama and his family. That is personal. To say that the Governor of Texas is acting IN DEFIANCE OF THE AUTHORITY OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES is not personal, but is in defiance of the authority of the office of the President of the United States.
    Nothing here is in "defiance of the authority of the President", this is just hysterics on your part. Monitoring is not obstructing.
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    Re: Does a state governor have the Constitutional right to monitor Federal troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I invented what?
    I said what you invented. I am not going to repeat it.

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    Re: Does a state governor have the Constitutional right to monitor Federal troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Gov. Abbott is addressing the concerns of his fellow Texans. Of course he's doing the right thing here.
    More like he is appeasing the irrational concerns of a bunch of certifiable nuts.
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    Re: Does a state governor have the Constitutional right to monitor Federal troops?

    of course the governor has the power to order his state troops to monitor federal troops....what a silly question.

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