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Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

Would you support the decision of Texas to peacefully and democratically secede, if voted upon

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Moot said:
Consent of the people? Lincoln won the election.
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but you only have to stay in a democracy for as long as the vote turns out the way you like apparently
 
ernst barkmann said:
consent of the Citizens of the states in question.

we don't have a national government.
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Which of the seceding states had a referendum for citizens to vote in expressing this consent the citizenry?
 
ernst barkmann said:
no i am up to speed because i do a lot of reading on our founders, the documents.

you need to keep in mind, that in constitutional law there are only natural rights and privileges...
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you need to actually read my posts to
 
ernst barkmann said:
well tell me, if that were to happen and people just think things up, why is there no right to food water shelter since people have the power to think them up.

as stated rights are recognized, they are not created by law because law is made by man, if man could create his own rights, then man can control rights.

many of you on this forum, believe rights are created by man, but you seem to always forget that IF you have the power to create you have the power to destroy also.

for the power of rights created to be in the hands of man, would be the most dangerous of thing, for it will lead to our destruction., and those that subscribe to this notion are setting a path for the destruction.
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you need to read this post of yours
 
ernst barkmann said:
wrong...in the constitution there are natural rights and privileges...only

privileges today are called civil rights/legal rights...these are created by man, and called positive law.

natural rights are not created by man, but only recognized by man, and are not positive law.

privileges are created in statute law..no were in statute will you find a natural right for speech, prayer., protest, firearm, privacy.
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and this one
 
ernst barkmann said:
rights can be recognized by the constitution or the USSC, but are not created by law.

the right to privacy does not exist in the constitution, no where is it written , no where is it created by law of congress.

the USSC recognized the right to privacy, ...which is unwritten law...its a negative right.

In the United States, unwritten law takes on a variety of forms. In Constitutional Law the Supreme Court has ruled that the due process clause of the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution protects the right to privacy even though the word privacy is not mentioned in the written text of the Constitution.

unwritten law legal definition of unwritten law
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and this 1 to
 
ernst barkmann said:
since rights are only recognized by the constitution, and not granted by government, congress has no power over them.

you don't have power over what you don't control.

the constitution is federalism, the separation of powers between state governments and the federal government with the federal government having few powers, and the bill of rights are restrictions on the federal government to make no laws concerning the recognized rights
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and yes this 1
 
ernst barkmann said:
you have no right to food water shelter in america, because they are commodities and have to be created by someone.......do you think you have a right to steal property of the people?

you do not understand your rights at all.
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so American law not recognizing a natural right for food water and shelter in its laws doesn't mean those are not natural rights according to you
 
blarg said:
so American law not recognizing a natural right for food water and shelter in its laws doesn't mean those are not natural rights according to you
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If you have a natural right to food, water, and shelter, and can't provide them for yourself, does that mean that someone else has a natural obligation to provide them for you?
 
blarg said:
so American law not recognizing a natural right for food water and shelter in its laws doesn't mean those are not natural rights according to you
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you have natural right to seek those things........you don't have a natural right to have them HANDED TO YOU.

FOOD WATER, SHELTER......have to be grown, collected, and built......therefore someone had to spent their time /labor to do those things, you believe you have a right to another person's time/ labor they spent to grown, collect and built things?
 
Dittohead not! said:
If you have a natural right to food, water, and shelter, and can't provide them for yourself, does that mean that someone else has a natural obligation to provide them for you?
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maybe but I don't believe in natural rights so that would be a matter of opinion
 
ernst barkmann said:
you have natural right to seek those things........you don't have a natural right to have them HANDED TO YOU.

FOOD WATER, SHELTER......have to be grown, collected, and built......therefore someone had to spent their time /labor to do those things, you believe you have a right to another person's time/ labor they spent to grown, collect and built things?
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but that's all this is a matter of belief
 
Dittohead not! said:
If you have a natural right to food, water, and shelter, and can't provide them for yourself, does that mean that someone else has a natural obligation to provide them for you?
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I don't have a natural right to food, water, or shelter. "I have a natural need for food, water, and shelter". My chances for survival without food, water, and shelter are slim.

If I can't provide those "needs" for myself, then I will most likely seek assistance from some source (person or institution). If I can't get assistance then my "natural instinct to survive" will provoke me to infringe on others in whatever way necessary to survive.

If I get caught infringing on others, I'll be subject to consequences by some authority, which represents the citizens. If authorities choose to take action against me. I'll probably be incarcerated. If enough people cause authorities to take action, it will require authorities to grow in size. For the authority to grow in size in order to enforce consequences, the citizens within my society will have to provide their personal resources to support the increase in the size of the authorities so the authorities can protect the citizens from people like me. :mrgreen:
 
Thrilla said:
explain... i'm curious.
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There is a road that is adjacent to my property that goes to a portion of a river that I live on for 25 years. I have used the road for so long to get to an area of the river someone else owns. And I've not been denied access - nor has it ever been gated - and I've actually improved it. So now the owner can't prevent me from using it - or anybody that I give permission to use it.
 
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