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Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

Would you support the decision of Texas to peacefully and democratically secede, if voted upon


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If Texas secedes, it would be done against the will of the Federal government, which would most likely make Texas a "security issue" for the US...among other concerns.

then we are getting ahead of ourselves.... if it is against the will of DC, they will be brought back under the wing of DC long before sanctions can be levied or nationhood recognized.

sanctions won't be levied... troops will be sent in to slaughter Texans and raze the lands( with history as our guide of how the federal government treats their wayward states)
 
you can't be a lefty and simultaneously believe people are strong enough to do anything on their own...

texas would have to make many adjustments, but it would make it on its own....i would image that is being on its own, many u.s. citizens would move to Texas AND GIVE UP THEIR U.S. CITIZENSHIP.
 
Texas cannot support its own military, healthcare system, education system, highway systems, agriculture needs, etc, etc, etc...for any length of time without the types of assistance it gets from the Federal government.

they can if they they have the ability to issue sovereign currency and tax their citizens... no doubt about it.
 
texas would have to make many adjustments, but it would make it on its own....i would image that is being on its own, many u.s. citizens would move to Texas AND GIVE UP THEIR U.S. CITIZENSHIP.

aye...and many Texans would bail out and remain US citizens as well....and yeah, there would necessarily be a lot of treaty signing involved, along with internal adjustments.

in any event, this is but an academic exercise.... this all fits in very low on the probability scale... near the bottom, in fact
 
aye...and many Texans would bail out and remain US citizens as well....and yeah, there would necessarily be a lot of treaty signing involved, along with internal adjustments.

in any event, this is but an academic exercise.... this all fits in very low on the probability scale... near the bottom, in fact


exactly.
 
Don't need a crystal ball. The Federal government has made its position known in Texas vs White. If Texas secedes - it will do so against the will of the United States of Amerca's standing government.

There would be consequences imposed. It doesn't take a genie or crystal ball to figure that out.

You do not know what most Texans will feel like on this matter in the future...period. You can guess, hope or believe...but you cannot know - it is impossible.

As for the U.S. Government? I could care less what they say. I do not respect or honor unjust laws. And to force a state to stay against the will of it's people is unjust.

As far as I am concerned, if the majority of Texans (or any state's population) wants to leave the United States (providing they take their share of the national debt), I support them 100%.

Whether you (or anyone else) agrees or not is almost irrelevant to me, no offense.
 
You do not know what most Texans will feel like on this matter in the future...period. You can guess, hope or believe...but you cannot know...impossible.

As for the U.S. Government? I could care less what they say. I do not respect or honor unjust laws.

As far as I am concerned, if the majority of Texans (or any state's population) wants to leave the United States (providing they take their share of the national debt), I support them 100%.

Whether you (or anyone else) agrees or not is almost irrelevant to me, no offense.

And you have this support to secede percentage how?
 
you can't be a lefty and simultaneously believe people are strong enough to do anything on their own...

Gezzzzzzzzzzzus Gawd, Thrilla...is your brain so profoundly stuck in some political philosophical nonsense that you have can't think as an individual, independent of a political affiliation to make inspection of facts rather than appealing to your sycophant perspective?
 
And you have this support to secede percentage how?

No idea what you are asking.

I have no idea if and or when most Texans will/would want to leave. I am simply saying if 50%+1 want to one day, that is good enough for me.
 
then we are getting ahead of ourselves.... if it is against the will of DC, they will be brought back under the wing of DC long before sanctions can be levied or nationhood recognized.

sanctions won't be levied... troops will be sent in to slaughter Texans and raze the lands( with history as our guide of how the federal government treats their wayward states)

You realize that the Supreme Court denied that the Southern States who CLAIMED that they seceded...was merely a temporary suspension of the rights held by those states while it engaged in war against the US? It other words the SC denied the secession being legal.
 
No idea what you are asking.

I have no idea if and or when most Texans will/would want to leave. I am simply saying if 50%+1 want to one day, that is good enough for me.

I get your hypothetical percentage...but what makes you believe that Texas has anywhere close to even 50% who would support Texas seceding from the US?
 
Exactly...and vise versa...which both need to happen.

this topic is not the first time its been brought to the forum before, and every time it is, there are many people who become hostile and angry towards the thread ...why?

i in no why care if a state leaves the union, because its not my state and i respect the rights of people of others states do as they will..

we are a union with a federal government, we do not have a country with a national government...why is it today some people act as if all states are bound into 1 voice of the people..... with people of other states meddling in the affairs of another state?
 
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I get your hypothetical percentage...but what makes you believe that Texas has anywhere close to even 50% who would support Texas seceding from the US?

I never said it did...I am talking hypothetical.
 
this topic is not the first time its been brought to the forum before, and every time it is, there are many people who become hostile and angry towards the thread ...why?

i in no why care if a state leaves the union, because its not my state and i respect the rights of people of others states do as they will..

we are a union with a federal government, we do not have a country with a national government...why is it today some people act as if all states are bound into 1 voice of the people..... with people of other states meddling in the affairs of other states?

Are you aware that Vermont attempted to secede? That's been going on for years. So are...NADA!

Are you willing to move to a state that actually is able to secede?
 
Texas would be the 14th largest economy in the world by GDP more then South Korea and the Netherlands.

And the plus side for Texas is that right now they are tied with Mississippi for having the highest percentage of minmum wage workers in the country. If they are their own country they can get away with paying all of those minimum wage workers third world wages.
 
Gezzzzzzzzzzzus Gawd, Thrilla...is your brain so profoundly stuck in some political philosophical nonsense that you have can't think as an individual, independent of a political affiliation to make inspection of facts rather than appealing to your sycophant perspective?

either that or i was being a smartass.. i'll leave it for you to decide which is was...
 
You realize that the Supreme Court denied that the Southern States who CLAIMED that they seceded...was merely a temporary suspension of the rights held by those states while it engaged in war against the US? It other words the SC denied the secession being legal.
yes.. i'm fully aware.... this might come as a surprise to you, but most people you talk to are not as stupid as you believe them to be deep down in your bones.

as I said, we're getting ahead of ourselves.....
your claims of sanctions/restrictions would be moot in the case of an unsuccessful secession.... what you are actually talking about is war, nothing less.
even touching on the notions of supporting infrastructure would be moot.
 
Are you aware that Vermont attempted to secede? That's been going on for years. So are...NADA!

Are you willing to move to a state that actually is able to secede?


we are a union....why are you worrying about other states ..oh by the way i am a texan born and raised
 
And the plus side for Texas is that right now they are tied with Mississippi for having the highest percentage of minmum wage workers in the country. If they are their own country they can get away with paying all of those minimum wage workers third world wages.

this i don't understand...who cares...would they be violating the rights of their Citizens,.... should be the concern
 
I never said it did...I am talking hypothetical.

I won't ever support such a movement in Texas. I was born and raised here - and I'm no spring rooster. I think the consequences would be dire in not too many years following it seceding.

But quite a few Vermont has been aggressively seeking to secede for over a decade to no avail. Guess we can follow along with its progress or lack of progress. There's been about 10 states over the past decade that has grassroot organizations pushing for their respective states to secede.

"We'll see", said the blind man to his deaf brother. I'm betting none of these efforts will ever happen.
 
This was settled 150 years ago when the South lost the Civil War.

Any Texan who isn't happy in the USA can leave any time that they feel like it. The entrances to the exits are all wide open.
 
yes.. i'm fully aware.... this might come as a surprise to you, but most people you talk to are not as stupid as you believe them to be deep down in your bones.

as I said, we're getting ahead of ourselves.....
your claims of sanctions/restrictions would be moot in the case of an unsuccessful secession.... what you are actually talking about is war, nothing less.
even touching on the notions of supporting infrastructure would be moot.

What I'm simply saying is....

IF there was a legal means to secede, sanctions by the U.S. "alone" would do the job. No military actions would be necessary.

But if we were talking war. An all out war in every urban and rural area in Texas. We both know what that would look like. It would be devastating, to say the least. That wouldn't happen. There's not that many anti-government rednecks in Texas to pull it off. The collateral damage would be immense. Texas couldn't defend itself against such actions "successfully" IN MY OPINION.

And if that was the case - yes, every point discussed in this thread would indeed be moot.
 
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